To think it's tragic if Michael Jackson was indeed innocent

[pregahes]

It's a real shame for someone who created incredible music to have their legacy at risk. It’s just tragic, considering the impact his music had on so many. It's tragic either way, if he's guilty for the victims and if he's innocent for himself.

I'm a huge fan and at one point t thought he was guilty but kore recently change of heart. I think there would be more victims if he weee in fact guilty. Somethings doesnt add up.

It's tragic

Be that as it may this is a thread about MJ, not your ignorance of the CJS.

Makes me wonder if he had never been famous in the first place, would he have done these questionable things?

Exactly.

I'm not a psychologist but I've seen this for myself on MN and elsewhere. So many women only realise the truth about what they were subjected to when their eldest child or first daughter reaches the age they themselves were when they were abused.

I was hoping we could have an informative discussion and I was appreciating your replies but I don't understand why you always have to get that personal dig in. It's unnecessary. If you want to educate people, do it in a kind way. Making insulting comments is never going to get people on your side. I do understand the justice system, more than you realise but I was asking your views on it.

@Itsmychristmasdress thank you so much. I really need to sit on my hands at times Xx

Seriously? You only try to be a good person because of a song?

From this post you sound simple minded.

I don’t think he would have been given the same access to children if he wasn’t famous. Parents wouldn’t have allowed him to have sleepovers with their children or hang out with them all the time. The parents and children wouldn’t have been as susceptible to being groomed.

Same with me. Im 50 now. I was verbally attacked on a csa Facebook group when I said I hadn't reported him. I was told I wasn't protecting his future victims. I can't do it. The fall out would be horrendous.

@WingingItSince1973 im so so sorry you went through that

Thank you. I came off the group and felt so guilty. But I can't do it. I know that is so selfish of me. So so sorry what happened to you too. Also I saw your reply earlier about how many csa survivors don't really talk about it until they have children. I blocked out so much. When my first dd turned the age I was it was like a punch to my stomach. I have 3 DDs and felt sick each time they turned that age. I really hope he never hurt anyone again. I don't think he did.

Also one more thing that's just come to mind for all those abuser apologists. When my db died 18 years ago my mother invited my step dad to my brothers funeral. He had the audacity to come up to me and say hello and shook my hand. And you know what I did? I shook it back. Then spent the day with him in the same place as me as I didn't want to make anyone feel uncomfortable. This is what they do!!! Even as a 32 year old I still felt like a 6 year old again. Right I need to put my phone away and sleep.

This. I feel sickened by some posts. Too many people have No idea what grooming is and how abusers work. He even changed his voice to sound childlike FFS! Those poor boys.

There were books showing pictures of naked children. You can call that “artwork”, I call it child sexual abuse material

I don’t feel like the OP is interacting in good faith. Why call picture of naked children “artwork”?

@WingingItSince1973 I’m really sorry you had to experience this.

It is true what they say about MN, it has some highly toxic people that are abusive to others through a screen.

I put a simple reason up initially as I didn't know this was going to be blown out of all proportion to a 600+ thread.

I have time nor inclination like others to write reams.

But my belief he is innocent stems from much more than that which really I don't care to argue about with the likes of Mn.

I am allowed to believe what I like.

Now run along and people bash someone else. Ive got to get ready for work and out the door.

It turns my stomach too. People often find ways to excuse their heroes

I will tell you who is toxic . It is Michael Jackson , he was the abusive one .

I’ll tell you what else is toxic.

Pedophile apologists

I think it's tragic that he abused children. I think it's tragic that he bought children. I think it's tragic that he got away with it.

To be fair you did rather give the impression that you don’t have much understanding of the justice system if you didn’t know that victim testimonies are often the only evidence there is in a CSA case (especially historic ones). You asked for clarification on that as if you didn’t believe it (as opposed to asking for others’ views on it).

So actually there are lots of reasons you think MJ is innocent but instead of sharing these, you decided to just post the one about his song lyrics because you didn’t have much time and you also didn’t know the thread was going to be so big.

Sorry, this sounds rather silly.

Well the immense fame gave hum the protection to pick and choose his his victims and protect him from repercussions
When I first saw the interview with Martin Bashir I really did believe that he was a man trapped in the mind if a,ten year old
But after watching leaving Never land a few years ago the testimony, s of those men were so graphic and disturbing,I believe them
Hid game and money allowed him to build up.his child like persona and to whatever he wanted within plain sight .