To think it's tragic if Michael Jackson was indeed innocent

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It's a real shame for someone who created incredible music to have their legacy at risk. It’s just tragic, considering the impact his music had on so many. It's tragic either way, if he's guilty for the victims and if he's innocent for himself.

I'm a huge fan and at one point t thought he was guilty but kore recently change of heart. I think there would be more victims if he weee in fact guilty. Somethings doesnt add up.

It's tragic

I mean, regardless of whether he "interfered" with the kids, he still slept over with them in his bed. Even if all they did was sleep, it's fucking weird and inappropriate and indicative of some issues on his part.

So - you wouldn’t let your child have a sleepover with a “random bloke” in case they were a paedophile.

The question is : who other than a peadophile would have sleepovers with unrelated, prepubertal boys. There is no innocent explanation for this.

Even if he didn't sexually abuse those young boys and that's a big if he was emotionally abusive from them
Building them up for them to think they are everything to him and then dropping them once they reached puberty
There just weird strange and abusive behaviour.

MJ was a weirdo. I would think he was guilty.

However, I heavily criticise the parents of those children who let their young kids stay with a man for days or weeks on end. Now they are crying about it. They enabled what ever this weird MJ world was.

A parent should protect their kid, they most definitely didn’t.

MJ’s brian never matured, he was so messed up.

This is total bollocks. Not the ghastly childhood but using it as an excuse for paedophilia in plain sight. A convenient tool for him to manipulate literally everyone with.

Of course if he was guilty then his childhood was not an excuse. I didn’t say it was.

I believe he is innocent. At that time in the 80s and 90s he was the most major star around.

And I think that led to greed to pursue him.

My favorite song of his is Man in the Mirror.

I have used those lyrics in my life to set at example to others and behave as morally as I can. I feel , if someone is able to write those lyrics, they cannot do any wrong.

OK then!

@nolongersurprised family friend? Isn't that what MJ was supposed to be to
The parents?

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No idea about his guilt/lack of and I was never particularly interested in him as an artist, but the impact of his music always makes me laugh when people say this about convicted male singers. What exactly was the impact other than it being part of an era of some people's lives? Cancer was not cured, world peace was not achieved. Hunger and poverty are still rife. Does the music of any pop artist ever have a tangible impact to the extent that it's a tragedy when they get convicted of horrible crimes?

What's tragic about it exactly? He was accused and a no point has he ever been "cancelled" because of it. People are still fans of his music. His music is still being played. He is still loved by his fans.

Anyone just needs to ask themselves the question as to whether they would be comfortable if their kids had sleepovers in the same bed as Random Joe down the road. Would it make a difference if Random Joe had mental deficiencies or missed out on their childhood? Would it f*ck. And, let's be honest here, the parents are as bad for allowing this too. Just because he was famous and MJ shouldn't have given him a free pass for them to say yes to the invites. Just because someone is famous or rich shouldn't give them a free pass for anything.

There was an old meme that circulated on Facebook years back saying that Christian Gray/50 Shades wouldn't have been anywhere near as titillating if he had been a down and out who lived in a caravan. But the same behaviours are acceptable/promoted when they're dressed up in money or fame. FWIW I'm not saying this example is the same as MJ or that anyone who enjoys any aspect of BDSM is a wrongun, this is more to highlight how perspectives of acceptability changes when money/fame is involved.

MJ did not write those lyrics.

Sorry my bad, I didn't Google before I wrote.

But ill even say to sing that song and it to be his favourite, as it is mine...
I because of that song try to be the best that I can and thats only down to listening it time and time again.

I believe , that for it to be his song , to sing it and it to be his favourite.

I believe he is innocent.

The sheep don't bother to learn the facts so you'll be on your own here.

i’m not saying they were acceptable. However, Child abuse wasn’t as publically acknowledged as it is today, and because MJ was a global superstar, people didn’t feel they could challenge him (similar to Jimmy Saville ).

For reference, Childline was set up in the late eighties, and that’s when children were more widely given a voice regarding child abuse, and their stories were believed.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/mar/04/the-michael-jackson-accusers-the-abuse-didnt-feel-strange-because-he-was-like-a-god

he befriended the parents to access the sons. Like groomers do.

Personally, I wouldn’t even allow a family friend to sleep in the same bed as my prepubertal son.

I be also think the parents of the children were groomed. Maybe starstruck by their famous friend.

@App13 are you serious? So because a song makes you "the best that you can be" he's not a paedophile and must be innocent? I don't even know what to say!

(Anyone else getting ads for ‘MJ - the musical’?)

I had a newish employee (Charity sector children’s worker) came to my attention via her manager that she had stated on more than one that she believed that M.J was innocent.

Called her in and interviewed her under a probationary investigation. Terminated her on the spot no notice, keys back, out the door.

No reference for her either. End of.

I was CEO and safeguarding lead, could not trust her to act appropriately, on a child’s disclosure.

They absolutely were. He chose his victims carefully; vulnerable children with financially strapped and neglectful, overwhelmed or distracted parents. That way, he knew he could significantly undermine their credibility and/or intimidate and pay them into dropping any future charges, if he had to. He could also trot out the old "they're just making false accusations for the money" chestnut, which despite being ludicrous on the face of it a lot of people will still swallow. Throw in a few squeaky-clean relationships with credible wealthy people like Culkin and you're golden. Savile had the same basic strategy. All predators do.

That song supposedly reflects on one’s own strengths and morals , of self reflection to change your life for the better. It’s a pity it was wasted on that pedophile . But that was typical of him. To make out he was so moralistic , when underneath he was a withering snake .

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I understand if she said she thought Saville or Gary Glitter was innocent (as they've been tried or convicted in court). But like to sack someone for saying she thought someone who was found not found guilty didn't do it. Seems a bit harsh.