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LaDamaDeElche · 09/01/2024 20:29

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justaboutdonenow · 09/01/2024 21:08

LessonsLearnedInLife · 09/01/2024 20:21

I’ve just seen this, it looks like restrictions on these dogs are to be brought in. How many more will be found dead now?

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/scots-told-not-to-buy-xl-bully-dogs-as-government-set-to-ban-breed

I wonder what all the have-a-go heroes bragging on SM about their mass shipping of unassessed dogs into unvetted homes up there have to say about this.

Bensondog · 09/01/2024 21:13

I own and Xlbully cross staffy also own a staffy aswell I bought my Xlbully cross because he was a beautiful puppy black and white with a big black patch over his eye he reminded me of a neighbours dog who we loved as kids called Andy patch ,, only reason I bought him plain and simple as that ,, i have had dogs all my life and loved everyone of them love my staffy he is so loving as is my bully who is two now most affectionate loving dogs play with other dogs no problem ,, now I walk him with a muzzle and don’t let him off and he looks sad but he is laid back and accepted it as have I because it’s what I have to do to keep him in our family home would never give him up for anything or sell him so that’s what people we r dealing with low life bad owners that don’t care simple as that heartbreaking awful society

Bensondog · 09/01/2024 21:19

U seem like a very nice human

Bensondog · 09/01/2024 21:28

I am not as thick as pig shit I am a a respectable mum wife home owner and love my dog Thanku for your kind words

SomeCatFromJapan · 09/01/2024 21:35

@Bensondog Thank you for being responsible and abiding by the new laws.

LessonsLearnedInLife · 09/01/2024 21:39

justaboutdonenow · 09/01/2024 21:08

I wonder what all the have-a-go heroes bragging on SM about their mass shipping of unassessed dogs into unvetted homes up there have to say about this.

I’ve just spent half an hour on TikTok (I know, I know, don’t judge me) watching them raging at the injustice of Scotland considering restrictions 🙄. There’s also a lot of Scottish XL Bully owners blaming people for bringing them to Scotland now as well. I honestly can’t get my head around it, did they think that bringing hundreds of dogs to Scotland would save them? The sad reality is how many are going to be abandoned or killed now? As I said upthread I really don’t like them but I can’t help wonder about the ones that were rehomed up here, are the original owners going to ask for them back?

LessonsLearnedInLife · 09/01/2024 21:40

Bensondog · 09/01/2024 21:28

I am not as thick as pig shit I am a a respectable mum wife home owner and love my dog Thanku for your kind words

I never saw anyone saying anything tbh.

BigBoysDontCry · 09/01/2024 21:50

Anyone who thinks that these owners didn't think that sending to their dog to Scotland was an answer to their dreams to get rid whilst looking like a caring owner is delusional. These morons must have thought they'd won a watch.

"Oh poor me I have to send my dog away even though I luffs it sooooo much..." 🙄. Chances are it's no longer a cute puppy, has shown aggression, costs a fortune to feed and they can't be bothered with it anymore.

Bensondog · 09/01/2024 21:52

Think it was taken down

mapleriver · 09/01/2024 21:54

CleverLilViper · 09/01/2024 10:38

Lots of animals can kill people.

Should we kill horses, then? Cows?

Don't go abroad-you'd demand a cull of all their predators.

Cows and horses are either in a field minding their own business when a walker goes through and will get trampled occasionally, or under control of a rider. XLs and vicious dogs go in the very spots their victims go to (other dogs and people) to exercise often off the leash, or slip out of the house in a way you won't find a cow or horse doing. Predators have already been culled so hard that the ones left are shy and reclusive around humans to minimise risk to people.

All it takes is one bad natured XL bully whose moron lets it off the lead to make it feel like you're walking through caveman times where you or your loved ones might be taken out by a vicious predator, it's vile and dangerous and I hope you're never attacked and learn how terrifying it is to see breeds with a predisposition towards violence running around. There are two on my usual walking route through the village that will slam themselves against the window and get into a frenzy over the sight of a dog walking by, if the ban will mean less 8stone dogs doing that then I'm afraid the good natured XL bullies also being banned are worth it.

oakleaffy · 09/01/2024 21:56

LessonsLearnedInLife · 09/01/2024 21:39

I’ve just spent half an hour on TikTok (I know, I know, don’t judge me) watching them raging at the injustice of Scotland considering restrictions 🙄. There’s also a lot of Scottish XL Bully owners blaming people for bringing them to Scotland now as well. I honestly can’t get my head around it, did they think that bringing hundreds of dogs to Scotland would save them? The sad reality is how many are going to be abandoned or killed now? As I said upthread I really don’t like them but I can’t help wonder about the ones that were rehomed up here, are the original owners going to ask for them back?

It's an absolute mess. It was always going to be a seriously bad idea to ship very reactive, dog aggressive powerful breed types to Scotland {Or anywhere else}

IF the original owners were responsible, they'd be spaying, neutering and muzzling and keeping safe these unpredictable dogs, not shipping them off to strangers.
This type for dog in particular is particularly inbred which seems to have made it have a very short fuse and likely to go off half cocked at the merest sneeze or cough, or attacking on sight of a little dog in the distance minding it's own business.

Putting Pit bull in with stronger breed types was insane, and then closely inbreeding them with each other, ''what could possibly go wrong''...

Cosmosforbreakfast · 09/01/2024 21:57

Cows and horses haven't been bred to savagely attack and kill. XL Bullies have.

oakleaffy · 09/01/2024 22:07

BigBoysDontCry · 09/01/2024 21:50

Anyone who thinks that these owners didn't think that sending to their dog to Scotland was an answer to their dreams to get rid whilst looking like a caring owner is delusional. These morons must have thought they'd won a watch.

"Oh poor me I have to send my dog away even though I luffs it sooooo much..." 🙄. Chances are it's no longer a cute puppy, has shown aggression, costs a fortune to feed and they can't be bothered with it anymore.

This probably sums it up.
Relatively 'cute' as pups {as all pups are} but then when the head morphs into a massive pumpkin -it's basically a gaping mouth and jaw with legs.
This XL was involved in two street attacks before killing Adam Watts.
The eyes just look so deranged on many XL's.

Rehomed XL Bully, found dead in Glasgow......
LessonsLearnedInLife · 09/01/2024 22:11

oakleaffy · 09/01/2024 21:56

It's an absolute mess. It was always going to be a seriously bad idea to ship very reactive, dog aggressive powerful breed types to Scotland {Or anywhere else}

IF the original owners were responsible, they'd be spaying, neutering and muzzling and keeping safe these unpredictable dogs, not shipping them off to strangers.
This type for dog in particular is particularly inbred which seems to have made it have a very short fuse and likely to go off half cocked at the merest sneeze or cough, or attacking on sight of a little dog in the distance minding it's own business.

Putting Pit bull in with stronger breed types was insane, and then closely inbreeding them with each other, ''what could possibly go wrong''...

There was a documentary on Panorama last year about the breeding of these dogs, it really is worth a watch, it’s horrifying how one breeder messes about with their genetics. As you say “what could possibly go wrong”, yet so many people buy them or rehome them. I’ve seen so many pictures where they’re with children, it’s all very worrying tbh. I can’t understand why anyone who has children would have one of these inbred dogs in their home.

This may upset a lot of people but I agree with the restrictions on them. I hope the restrictions come in very quickly in Scotland.

LessonsLearnedInLife · 09/01/2024 22:18

Bensondog · 09/01/2024 21:28

I am not as thick as pig shit I am a a respectable mum wife home owner and love my dog Thanku for your kind words

Why would you allow this dog near your children though? I’ve witnessed one of these dogs attack and while I respect not all dogs are the same and some are better trained than others I honestly can’t fathom why someone would allow a dog with such a bite force (which is around 305 psi) near a child. Also how do your neighbours or family react to you owning one of these dogs?

oakleaffy · 09/01/2024 22:55

LessonsLearnedInLife · 09/01/2024 22:11

There was a documentary on Panorama last year about the breeding of these dogs, it really is worth a watch, it’s horrifying how one breeder messes about with their genetics. As you say “what could possibly go wrong”, yet so many people buy them or rehome them. I’ve seen so many pictures where they’re with children, it’s all very worrying tbh. I can’t understand why anyone who has children would have one of these inbred dogs in their home.

This may upset a lot of people but I agree with the restrictions on them. I hope the restrictions come in very quickly in Scotland.

I'll try and see if that documentary is still available online to watch, thank you.

Genetics most definitely has a bearing on temperament in any dog - but these XL's seem to be 'Wired wrong'.

Staffie owners have been on the XL threads saying they hope their Staffies aren't mistaken for XL Bullies- but an English Staffie is a very different dog.

Far smaller generally, smaller head, smaller jaw, and just more emotionally stable .

oakleaffy · 09/01/2024 23:01

That programme...just a minute in and look at the sheer cruelty -
The shocking conformation of this small AmericanBully .
That has got to hurt.

Breeders don't give a shiny shit.

Rehomed XL Bully, found dead in Glasgow......
SomeCatFromJapan · 09/01/2024 23:05

Bloody hell, the poor thing is completely deformed.

Thanks for the link, I'll give that a watch.

ejsmith99 · 09/01/2024 23:37

From Dr. David Billmire, pediatric surgeon of Cincinnati’s Children’s Hospital:

”As one who, for the last 30 years, has been on the receiving end of the dog-bite injuries that pass through the Children's Hospital Emergency Room, as well as on the staff at the Shriners Hospitals for Children where we see the late effects of these injuries from across the nation, I can categorically tell you that the problems associated with dog bites are indeed breed-specific.

When I started my career, the most common dog-bite injuries were from German shepherds and occasionally retrievers. These injuries were almost always provoked, such as food-related or stepping on the dog, and in almost every instance, the dog reacted with a single snap and release – essentially a warning shot. There were no pack attacks.

Starting about 25 years ago, my colleagues and I started to see disturbingly different types of injuries. Instead of a warning bite, we saw wounds where the flesh was torn from the victim. There were multiple bite wounds covering many different anatomical sites. The attacks were generally unprovoked, persistent and often involved more than one dog. In every instance the dog involved was a pit bull or a pit bull mix.

Now, I am a dog lover and virtually every one of my family members has a dog. But it is a fact that different dogs have always been bred for specific qualities. My sheltie herded, my daughter's setter flushes birds and my pug sits on my lap – this is what they are bred for. Pit bulls were bred to fight and kill and, unfortunately, many current breeders favor these aggressive traits. There is no need for any dog with the characteristics.

I recently gave a talk summarizing my 30 years of practice in pediatric plastic and reconstructive surgery, and one segment was titled "Why I Hate Pit Bulls." I watched a child bleed to death one night in our operating room because a pit bull had torn his throat out. I have had to rebuild the skull of a child who had his ears and entire scalp torn off. I am currently reconstructing the face of a child, half of whose face has been torn off down to the bone. I have had to rebuild noses, lips, eyelids, jaws and cheeks of numerous children. On older children, I have had to reconstruct legs and hands. The unfortunate young victim whose recent attack has initiated this discussion will bear the scars of this attack for the rest of her life.

Based on my extensive experience, I believe that the risk posed by pit bulls is equivalent to placing a loaded gun with the safety off on the coffee table. In my opinion, these dogs should be banned. I know this is an unpopular stand in some circles, but how many mauled children do we have to see before we realize the folly of allowing these dogs to exist?

(Xl bullys are pitbulls crossed with other dogs like mastiffs to increase their bulk)

oakleaffy · 10/01/2024 00:02

SomeCatFromJapan · 09/01/2024 23:05

Bloody hell, the poor thing is completely deformed.

Thanks for the link, I'll give that a watch.

It's SHOCKING for the sheer cruelty involved to the actual dogs.