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Cassious · 10/01/2024 00:07

Some of the comments on here are so nasty and delusional..this IS a result of the ban..the dogs WOULD NOT have had to be rehomed with there was NO ban

Common sense.

I been in tears over this story..there is a video of this dog she cannot walk properly, tail between her legs absolutely shit scared of the new owner and he beat her to death when she was pregnant

If you support the ban you're they vile.

All dogs need a licence and backyard breeding needs to beade illegal

Cassious · 10/01/2024 00:09

Can't even type properly. Sorry this story and the other one hurt my heart. I love ALL dogs big and small not a fake dog lover that only likes some breeds

Mamanyt · 10/01/2024 00:27

Over many, many years I have come to know that the problem (barring health issues) is never the dog on that end of the leash, it is the human on this end. ANY mishandled dog can, and likely will, become dangerous.

Personally, my "pettest peeve" is the miniature breeds, and the owners who think that anything they do, including growling and snapping at people is "cute."

Sam87uuk · 10/01/2024 00:39

The sooner Scotland becomes a separate country the better imo.

I don't feel comfortable sharing a nationality with them lot up there anymore.

They actively support and vote for a regime that puts grievance mongering towards the London gov ahead of the wellbeing of their own populace.

Mark my words.. Over the coming years there will be a disproportionate amount of children getting killed and maimed in Scotland because of these dogs. But that's ok.. better than following "the tories" lead.

oakleaffy · 10/01/2024 03:42

Mamanyt · 10/01/2024 00:27

Over many, many years I have come to know that the problem (barring health issues) is never the dog on that end of the leash, it is the human on this end. ANY mishandled dog can, and likely will, become dangerous.

Personally, my "pettest peeve" is the miniature breeds, and the owners who think that anything they do, including growling and snapping at people is "cute."

Little dogs can be yeeted out the way by even a child-
No one with any sense ever thinks little dogs are 'cute' when they snap and snarl {Very rare that I have ever witnessed this though unless dog aggressive}

The Mauler breeds are bred to be extremely unstable- a strong man has no chance - and many ProPit people have been killed by their own dogs.
Even loving kind owners- it IS the breed in these instances, extremely unstable and with a screw loose or not wired right, probably some aggressive gene much that red Cocker Spaniels suffer from.

Even the bloke driving XL's to Scotland had one that was so aggressive he couldn't do a thing with it - he didn't risk it.

Kindness and love are not enough.

This dog ate part of it's owner's arm.

https://nypost.com/2022/07/19/i-slept-with-my-beloved-pit-bull-until-he-tried-to-eat-me-alive/

I slept with my beloved pit bull — until he tried to eat me alive

A woman who slept with her dog was almost eaten alive when the canine snapped and tore off most of her arm, ate her bicep and sunk its teeth into her leg and foot.

https://nypost.com/2022/07/19/i-slept-with-my-beloved-pit-bull-until-he-tried-to-eat-me-alive/

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 10/01/2024 06:48

oakleaffy · 09/01/2024 22:07

This probably sums it up.
Relatively 'cute' as pups {as all pups are} but then when the head morphs into a massive pumpkin -it's basically a gaping mouth and jaw with legs.
This XL was involved in two street attacks before killing Adam Watts.
The eyes just look so deranged on many XL's.

Well, this XL looks like the sun is in its eyes for a start.
But I think the reason people think XLs' eyes look odd is because they're often a light colour.

SomeCatFromJapan · 10/01/2024 07:13

Some of the comments on here are so nasty and delusional..this IS a result of the ban..the dogs WOULD NOT have had to be rehomed with there was NO ban

No, if the SNP grievance-mongers had implemented the ban at the same time as Westminster rather than u-turning after Scotland became a dumping ground for the dogs, this would not have happened.

justaboutdonenow · 10/01/2024 09:36

LessonsLearnedInLife · 09/01/2024 21:39

I’ve just spent half an hour on TikTok (I know, I know, don’t judge me) watching them raging at the injustice of Scotland considering restrictions 🙄. There’s also a lot of Scottish XL Bully owners blaming people for bringing them to Scotland now as well. I honestly can’t get my head around it, did they think that bringing hundreds of dogs to Scotland would save them? The sad reality is how many are going to be abandoned or killed now? As I said upthread I really don’t like them but I can’t help wonder about the ones that were rehomed up here, are the original owners going to ask for them back?

A lot of people involved in rescue were very concerned about the mass shipping of dogs there, not least of all because of the attention they were getting by plastering selfies of themselves with the dogs all over SM.
The dog world (people working with dogs, rescuing dogs, etc as opposed to pet people) isn't that big & it's pretty gossipy & XLs have been a hot topic since the rumblings of a ban were announced back in late summer.
Many of the people involved in coordinating & transporting dogs were previously unknown in wider rescue circles, & a few whose names have popped up have been very worrying- ex bully breeders, some well known big egos in the rescue world, even a few criminals.
I've seen so many posts of these rehomings going wrong in the last couple of weeks, because the dogs aren't being assessed, the adopting homes aren't being vetted, the previous homes aren't being honest & many of these dogs are unneutered.
The cynic in me wonders if there wasn't just some ultimate plan to shift 'production' north of the border & carry on, although that little side hustle is now scuppered.
I expect an increase in standard & pocket bullies imminently.

MoggyP · 10/01/2024 10:04

That's the trouble with the DDA approach - the shitty owners will simply move pronto on to the next demon breed (whilst keeping the XL outliers whose measurements don't conform to the ban specs)

Bensondog · 10/01/2024 10:38

I bought this dog before all the attacks happened and my neighbours love my dog as he is a lovely boy and as for children he is now 18

Bensondog · 10/01/2024 10:40

And I live near a school and most of the kids luv him and the parents but don’t worry he doesn’t pull in his lead and has his muzzle on obvs u r the odd person that crosses the street when they see me yes ?

Cosmosforbreakfast · 10/01/2024 13:41

Sam87uuk · 10/01/2024 00:39

The sooner Scotland becomes a separate country the better imo.

I don't feel comfortable sharing a nationality with them lot up there anymore.

They actively support and vote for a regime that puts grievance mongering towards the London gov ahead of the wellbeing of their own populace.

Mark my words.. Over the coming years there will be a disproportionate amount of children getting killed and maimed in Scotland because of these dogs. But that's ok.. better than following "the tories" lead.

I don't support or vote for this regime at all, I don't want either them or XL Bullies here!

You are absolutely correct about the grievance mongering, the statement that XL Bullies being rehomed here was a consequence of the ban was ridiculous. The sensible and mature thing to do would have been to work with the rest of the UK and implement the ban here at the same time too. That would have meant putting the safety of people here ahead of their desire to stick it to Westminster , every single time and that's not something they're willing to do. I'm very worried their statement was just a lot of word salad and they'll still try to get out of doing the right thing. It's terrifying thinking that very soon a child will be ripped to shreds and it could have been easily prevented.

SomeCatFromJapan · 10/01/2024 13:45

The sooner Scotland becomes a separate country the better imo.

No thanks, I'd rather not be exclusively at the mercy of the SNP.

oakleaffy · 10/01/2024 14:16

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 10/01/2024 06:48

Well, this XL looks like the sun is in its eyes for a start.
But I think the reason people think XLs' eyes look odd is because they're often a light colour.

It's the crazy expression in the eyes, of many Pits and XL's not the colour.

Huskies and some Collies , Weimeraners or other crosses, especially carrying a merle gene, have pale eyes, and they don't look the same.

Both dogs in the pics have pale eyes...massive difference in expression.

Rehomed XL Bully, found dead in Glasgow......
Rehomed XL Bully, found dead in Glasgow......
SomeCatFromJapan · 10/01/2024 15:11

Part of it is that most dogs have very readable faces, every emotion they feel is visible. Bullies are inscrutable.
This is probably part of the danger with them - no standard dog body language warning of a likely attack.

justaboutdonenow · 10/01/2024 16:30

oakleaffy · 10/01/2024 14:16

It's the crazy expression in the eyes, of many Pits and XL's not the colour.

Huskies and some Collies , Weimeraners or other crosses, especially carrying a merle gene, have pale eyes, and they don't look the same.

Both dogs in the pics have pale eyes...massive difference in expression.

That crazy expression is the result of extreme inbreeding over many generations in an unnatutally short time, which is ironically one of the major selling points of this 'breed'- the more times a certain dog appears in a 6 gen pedigree, the better.

When it comes to health, genetic diversity, good temperament & apparently also eye-to-head-ratio, the bully breeder's mantra is 'less is more'.

justaboutdonenow · 10/01/2024 16:43

SomeCatFromJapan · 10/01/2024 15:11

Part of it is that most dogs have very readable faces, every emotion they feel is visible. Bullies are inscrutable.
This is probably part of the danger with them - no standard dog body language warning of a likely attack.

I'm lucky as I live in a relatively rural area & only really see American bullies when holidaymakers bring them, but I totally get what you mean by the inexpressive faces.

Some breeds, like American akitas, can be very subtle with their body language & harder to read, but bullies just seem to have a permanent thousand yard stare whether they're relaxing, eating or gnawing on another dog's throat.

I don't hate the breed, they're victims of universally shitty breeders & mostly shitty owners.

eastegg · 10/01/2024 16:44

ejsmith99 · 09/01/2024 23:37

From Dr. David Billmire, pediatric surgeon of Cincinnati’s Children’s Hospital:

”As one who, for the last 30 years, has been on the receiving end of the dog-bite injuries that pass through the Children's Hospital Emergency Room, as well as on the staff at the Shriners Hospitals for Children where we see the late effects of these injuries from across the nation, I can categorically tell you that the problems associated with dog bites are indeed breed-specific.

When I started my career, the most common dog-bite injuries were from German shepherds and occasionally retrievers. These injuries were almost always provoked, such as food-related or stepping on the dog, and in almost every instance, the dog reacted with a single snap and release – essentially a warning shot. There were no pack attacks.

Starting about 25 years ago, my colleagues and I started to see disturbingly different types of injuries. Instead of a warning bite, we saw wounds where the flesh was torn from the victim. There were multiple bite wounds covering many different anatomical sites. The attacks were generally unprovoked, persistent and often involved more than one dog. In every instance the dog involved was a pit bull or a pit bull mix.

Now, I am a dog lover and virtually every one of my family members has a dog. But it is a fact that different dogs have always been bred for specific qualities. My sheltie herded, my daughter's setter flushes birds and my pug sits on my lap – this is what they are bred for. Pit bulls were bred to fight and kill and, unfortunately, many current breeders favor these aggressive traits. There is no need for any dog with the characteristics.

I recently gave a talk summarizing my 30 years of practice in pediatric plastic and reconstructive surgery, and one segment was titled "Why I Hate Pit Bulls." I watched a child bleed to death one night in our operating room because a pit bull had torn his throat out. I have had to rebuild the skull of a child who had his ears and entire scalp torn off. I am currently reconstructing the face of a child, half of whose face has been torn off down to the bone. I have had to rebuild noses, lips, eyelids, jaws and cheeks of numerous children. On older children, I have had to reconstruct legs and hands. The unfortunate young victim whose recent attack has initiated this discussion will bear the scars of this attack for the rest of her life.

Based on my extensive experience, I believe that the risk posed by pit bulls is equivalent to placing a loaded gun with the safety off on the coffee table. In my opinion, these dogs should be banned. I know this is an unpopular stand in some circles, but how many mauled children do we have to see before we realize the folly of allowing these dogs to exist?

(Xl bullys are pitbulls crossed with other dogs like mastiffs to increase their bulk)

Thank you for that. Upsetting, but very important to read.

timesaretight · 10/01/2024 17:01

Probably mauled to death by the kids.

Ap24 · 10/01/2024 17:26

Cassious · 10/01/2024 00:07

Some of the comments on here are so nasty and delusional..this IS a result of the ban..the dogs WOULD NOT have had to be rehomed with there was NO ban

Common sense.

I been in tears over this story..there is a video of this dog she cannot walk properly, tail between her legs absolutely shit scared of the new owner and he beat her to death when she was pregnant

If you support the ban you're they vile.

All dogs need a licence and backyard breeding needs to beade illegal

But it isn't a "ban". Most owners were just required to fill out some paperwork, pay a small fee and follow some basic rules. They couldn't be bothered to do the bare minimum. And many were sold on cheap or dumped, they weren't rehomed at all. This is all on the type of person who is attracted to this breed. They didn't care for the dogs properly before restrictions were bought in and they haven't after.

Saucery · 10/01/2024 17:34

Bensondog · 10/01/2024 10:40

And I live near a school and most of the kids luv him and the parents but don’t worry he doesn’t pull in his lead and has his muzzle on obvs u r the odd person that crosses the street when they see me yes ?

You sound like a responsible owner. Just the fact you’ve muzzle trained him properly is an example of that (I’m sure he’s not that sad about it, although I bet he pretends he is Grin).
Some people might cross the road because their own dog is a bit of an arse btw - my last one didn’t like many dogs so it was always best to cross over if a large, powerful dog was approaching. I’d rather their owner thought I was an anti-breed snob than they be pulled over because my dog decided she didn’t want to share space with their dog and things potentially kick off.

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 10/01/2024 18:27

oakleaffy · 10/01/2024 14:16

It's the crazy expression in the eyes, of many Pits and XL's not the colour.

Huskies and some Collies , Weimeraners or other crosses, especially carrying a merle gene, have pale eyes, and they don't look the same.

Both dogs in the pics have pale eyes...massive difference in expression.

You picked a photo of a cross-eyed XL with cropped ears.

XLs with ears look natural and not intimidating.

Moronic owners get the ears cropped precisely so they look intimidating. It makes their body language harder to read as ears play an important role in dog communication ( which may add to confusion amongst other dogs, which in turn, can cause aggro).

Also, off on a tangent, the merle gene is linked to health issues (yet morons breed this colour all the time).

Rehomed XL Bully, found dead in Glasgow......
Rehomed XL Bully, found dead in Glasgow......
IncognitoIsMyFavouriteWord · 10/01/2024 18:46

Testina · 08/01/2024 15:56

No, it’s a consequence of someone dumping their responsibility and pocketing from a £400 Facebook ad, selling to someone who feeds a dog cannabis edibles. So a responsible type then.

I mean OK, you’ve got a chain of events that includes the ban… but nah, this dog is dead because of irresponsible owners.

Lots of these dogs will be dead because of irresponsible owners and breeders.

oakleaffy · 10/01/2024 19:08

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 10/01/2024 18:27

You picked a photo of a cross-eyed XL with cropped ears.

XLs with ears look natural and not intimidating.

Moronic owners get the ears cropped precisely so they look intimidating. It makes their body language harder to read as ears play an important role in dog communication ( which may add to confusion amongst other dogs, which in turn, can cause aggro).

Also, off on a tangent, the merle gene is linked to health issues (yet morons breed this colour all the time).

I still find those dogs in your pics ''dead eyed''..it's like ''no one is home''.

As another poster said upthread, they {Pits, XL's} are bred to be inscrutable, to have a glass eyed dead stare, so as to not be easily readable by their intended victim.

oakleaffy · 10/01/2024 19:39

This on 'social media'
Looks like a Staffie was attacked by an XL imported from England. {plus the Staffie's owner}

The Staffie has bite wounds to the near fore. {edit...click on pic to see more of the poster's text}