Can anyone explain to me why some people feel so passionate about hating Harry and Meghan, or vice versa?

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Why do people love Harry and Meghan and Hate William and Catherine so strongly. or the other way round?

I don't mean - what is their stated rationale for it, I mean what kind of psychology is behind this massive investment in total strangers?

The Dianna public grieving was a strange time, but it at least made sense - death of someone in the prime of her life, a huge loss to her family.

But why are some members of the general public so invested in picking sides in a family feud?

I think it is very obvious now that Harry is a very disturbed individual in poor mental health, Harry and Megan were living together within six months, married within two years.

For a royal that’s fast and the concern I assume is because it is hard to see that Harry was wanting a life in the USA with a listers, or that he can be happy with what is now clearly his isolation. As such, someone mentally ill marrying so fast, when it turns out so bad, should concern everyone.

it is hard to see that Harry was wanting a life in the USA with a listers, or that he can be happy with what is now clearly his isolation. As such, someone mentally ill marrying so fast, when it turns out so bad, should concern everyone.

You don't know the slightest thing about him, so how are these musings helpful in any way?

What people seem to forget, when talking about this, is that Harry wanted to settle down himself. None of his previous girlfriends wanted the gig - the press intrusion was too much. So what did we expect him to do? From Spare, it seems like Wills would have been happy for him to be single forever - but Harry didn't want that.

The two podcasters sentenced yesterday that called for execution of Harry and Archie and the lack of coverage of that case speaks volumes.

How is it fast ?
Charles and Diana got married and they barely knew each other yes it was disastrous
But Harry and Meghan were together a lot longer than that and seem more suited than a Charles and Diana ever were
I don't think its obvious at all that Harry is a disturbed individual with poor mental health

He himself has been telling everyone loudly and repeatedly he has poor mental health and has been in signficant therapy foe decades. Do you think he’s lying?

Exactly! Ditto me. And been together decades. There are lots of posters on MN who say they met and married quickly, no idea why anyone should be uncomfortable with that.

Could you tell me who has diagnosed him as 'mentally ill'?

As said before, many couples meet and marry quickly... and you think two years is fast? No idea why.

You don't know what he wanted, and you don't know he is unhappy.

Exactly! Charles and Diana had met only seven times before deciding to marry!

I don’t hate M and H but I am very disappointed in them.
I think the agenda was always to do minimum for maximum reward. I think that the Oprah interview and the Netflix show have damaged their credibility globally. So much was obviously staged and manipulated, mocking the Queen was very foolish.
By comparison the Royal family have weathered the storm and not needed questionable “award” .

He himself has been telling everyone loudly and repeatedly he has poor mental health

I think he's been pretty clear his own family and situation were largely responsible. Maybe he feels settling down and ultimately creating distance were the best things he could do for his mental health?

As none of us have ever met him, let alone have access to the exact nature of his struggles, all of this is speculation however. It's silly to suggest what was good for him or not. You are in no position to have a clue.

I think the fact harry blames his family for his mental health issues is not something anyone can say, oh right they are to blame then, cos harry said so. That would be foolish.

blaming your family for your issues is not uncommon, doesn’t mean it’s true, he is hardly known for his searing honesty or accuracy . Nor is he known for his sensible decisions or common sense.

the point remains, the man is mentally very vulnerable, married quickly in that context, and I doubt few would argue his life as it is now, is better than it was before.

It would be amazing if he didn't have poor mental health after the life he's had, but I don't think that alone is a reason to look suspiciously on anyone he marries.

I think the fact harry blames his family for his mental health issues is not something anyone can say, oh right they are to blame then, cos harry said so. That would be foolish.

Which is why I said it was all speculation, so pointless.

the point remains, the man is mentally very vulnerable

I'm not sure why you're stating that as gospel. There's no evidence for it. Plenty of people have had mental health struggles in their lives but are not 'mentally very vulnerable'. As you are not his therapist or close confident, you cannot possibly say.

the point remains, the man is mentally very vulnerable, married quickly in that context, and I doubt few would argue his life as it is now, is better than it was before.

I think it is a million times better. And I think he would think that too.

I am really not sure he married in haste whilst mentally vulnerable
You don't know him or his thought processes.

I don't think most people have strong feelings either way.
From people around me the feeling was "oh how nice" when he first got engaged and over the wedding. No negativity at all.

Then people have got increasingly frustrating with the complaining, as they would with anyone who was doing that, and I've seen even among some of the most rampant republicans a grudging respect for the rest of the royal family for keeping quiet.
If they'd gone over to America and lived a celebrity lifestyle, and come over occasionally for special occasions then I think people would have retained the fondness they generally had for Prince Harry and extended it to his family.

Me I feel sorry for them. I think they're in a situation of their own making and don't know how to get out of it.

But your question as to why people love/hate them so much I think it's polarised on here if you go to the royal family board. I used to read it as something that was light-hearted and generally nice light chatter.

Now anything is taken to the two extremes and I think both sides push each other further, especially the H&M fans who tag each other with thanks for anything they put, deny things that came straight from H&M's mouth (or pen) and accuse the other side of bullying/racism etc. Yes, the other side do put some nasty things but as an outsider observer a lot is whipped up by the H&M group who seem to hold themselves up as taking the higher ground while saying far worse themselves.
If both sides could tone it down and agree to disagree or preferably just to not post anything negative (and I include the constant refrain of "What about Prince Andrew" when things aren't going their way) on the positive threads (or perhaps agree not to post on each other's threads) then it would be much nicer and I think people would find that their views weren't quite so polarised either.

Well I think everything seems to be polarised these days. Politics is the obvious parallel, no one judges the merits of a speech, policy, or individual, they just defend it if its their team and oppose and attack it if its the other team.

I am disappointed in the way Harry and Megan have gone, but also feel that Megan couldn't get anything right in the eyes of some despite giving it her all in the early days.

Generally there are 3 sides to a story and I suspect the ballad of Megan and Harry reflects this idiom also.

i dont give a toss either way they are just people who get publicity because of the family they come from and they court publicity by playing the victims when most of what they do goes against royal protocol

Well non of us including you know wether his life is better now than it was before
In fact non if us actually know anything about his life other than what he chooses to make public .

especially the H&M fans who tag each other with thanks for anything they put

Detracctors do that continually. Just sayin'

So why are you on the thread if your opinion is no one knows anything, if that was the case, there would be nothing to discuss. I hate to break it to you but the pair of them have told the public a fuck ton. So much in fact most people wish they’d shut up and go away.

hes went from one of the most popular royals to isolated from friends and family, complaining all the time, lying, attacking, ans selling family gossip for money.

I dislike H&M. I think they are whining and grasping and entitled. (In fact, literally entitled!!). I have formed this opinion based on their words and actions and their statements in Spare and their exit press release which was just petulant. I think their moaning is tone deaf.

That said, i have sympathy for H's obvious mental health issues and I felt a very great deal of sympathy for M with the appalling treatment she received from her appalling publicity-hungry family.

But they still need to practice a bit of self reflection IMO.

I don’t hate them I’m just incredulous that Harry has divulged incredibly personal things about himself and the Royal family, effectively ended the relationship with William and wrecked the relationship with his father yet thinks everyone owes him an apology, money and a pick and chose part in the RF work.
Meghan I think thought that she was going to be a real princess and have all the perks without the graft and now is realising that actually the pair of them are going to modernise the Royal family so are somewhat adrift. I didn’t take to her from the start because I felt she didn’t know what she was taking on but wouldn’t accept advice.
I’m much older than many of you on here, the weeping and wailing over Diana was bizarre imo, she certainly wasn’t the saint that many thought she was and she certainly manipulated the press to suit her agenda.
I think that Harry will be floating around aimlessly for some time to come, he seems to have little purpose in life other than whinging, and that Meghan will be forced to earn some kind of living to support the image that they want to portray. I see she’s already appeared in a tv advert so I guess that’s a start!

'Most' people?

How do you know that? If that was the case, this would be an echo chamber of what you say.
It isn't.

Completely agree - an opinion is one thing, but the obsession with M&H is bloody weird.

I have formed this opinion based on their words and actions and their statements in Spare

Have you read Spare? Meghan didn't make any statements in the book