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Can anyone explain to me why some people feel so passionate about hating Harry and Meghan, or vice versa?

342 replies

whyptho · 04/01/2024 22:49

Why do people love Harry and Meghan and Hate William and Catherine so strongly. or the other way round?

I don't mean - what is their stated rationale for it, I mean what kind of psychology is behind this massive investment in total strangers?

The Dianna public grieving was a strange time, but it at least made sense - death of someone in the prime of her life, a huge loss to her family.

But why are some members of the general public so invested in picking sides in a family feud?

OP posts:
Samcro · 05/01/2024 14:44

well some of these posts just prove how batshit it all is.
someone starts a thread and mentions H&M and so many people post vile nasty stuff. im just glad its for once not hidden away on the royal family topic.
its almost like some people feel he left them and blame meghan for stealing him.
seeing what was in the news yesterday, seems they did the right thing.

HottestEverRecordedTemperature · 05/01/2024 14:44

That wasn't my complete sentence @Roussette .

Yes I read it. For some strange reason it was a book club choice. The previous choice was a bio of Putin. Hmm . None of the offerings I have ever suggested were much better than either of those to be fair.

x2boys · 05/01/2024 14:45

Janieforever · 05/01/2024 14:39

So why are you on the thread if your opinion is no one knows anything, if that was the case, there would be nothing to discuss. I hate to break it to you but the pair of them have told the public a fuck ton. So much in fact most people wish they’d shut up and go away.

hes went from one of the most popular royals to isolated from friends and family, complaining all the time, lying, attacking, ans selling family gossip for money.

Edited

They have told the public what they want to tell them
And if people just want them to go away why do the keep reading his books,,watching Netflix etc ??

Roussette · 05/01/2024 14:47

HottestEverRecordedTemperature · 05/01/2024 14:44

That wasn't my complete sentence @Roussette .

Yes I read it. For some strange reason it was a book club choice. The previous choice was a bio of Putin. Hmm . None of the offerings I have ever suggested were much better than either of those to be fair.

Sorry, I am laughing at the Book Club choices, ! What a book club! One extreme to the other, my goodness, did discussion get heated?!

Roussette · 05/01/2024 14:48

Samcro · 05/01/2024 14:44

well some of these posts just prove how batshit it all is.
someone starts a thread and mentions H&M and so many people post vile nasty stuff. im just glad its for once not hidden away on the royal family topic.
its almost like some people feel he left them and blame meghan for stealing him.
seeing what was in the news yesterday, seems they did the right thing.

Yes. And here it is.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/white-supremacists-jailed-terrorism-prince-harry-meghan-markle-neo-nazi-podcast/

Two white supremacists jailed for terrorism offences after targeting Harry and Meghan's son in neo-Nazi podcast

Two "dedicated and unapologetic white supremacists" who targeted the Duke and Duchess of Sussex's son in a neo-Nazi podcast have now been jailed for terrorism offences.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/white-supremacists-jailed-terrorism-prince-harry-meghan-markle-neo-nazi-podcast

HottestEverRecordedTemperature · 05/01/2024 14:48

Absolutely it did!!! Grin.

Roussette · 05/01/2024 14:49

HottestEverRecordedTemperature · 05/01/2024 14:48

Absolutely it did!!! Grin.

I would've loved to be a fly on the wall with both of those choices!

HottestEverRecordedTemperature · 05/01/2024 14:49

(get heated I mean) @Roussette Grin

HottestEverRecordedTemperature · 05/01/2024 14:51

Spare was polarising. Putin less polarising. Much drink was required in all cases. Wink

Roussette · 05/01/2024 14:54

HottestEverRecordedTemperature · 05/01/2024 14:51

Spare was polarising. Putin less polarising. Much drink was required in all cases. Wink

I was going to ask if drink was involved, I'd be glugging it back with both books!

HottestEverRecordedTemperature · 05/01/2024 14:55

Safe to say, drink is always involved. Grin It's also why we don't meet during Dry January.

MrsLeonFarrell · 05/01/2024 14:58

I think the whole thing is the latest iteration of the press creating and sustaining a conflict to sell papers (and these days clicks).

Meghan vs Kate
Sarah vs Diana
Angelina vs Jen
Kim vs Taylor
Posh vs Ginger

A tale as old as time of women being used and abused by the media to make money. There is always some truth on every side but many many more lies and exaggerations.

A more modern twist is that each side gets a fan base on social media outlets who are equally unpleasant in what they say about the other side. Why social media makes people say things they would never say in person I don't know but every media pitting of women against each other creates a new place for trolls/ fans to be mean.

Jedsnewstar · 05/01/2024 15:04

I honestly feel that a lot of the negative stories about H&M were ‘allowed’ to take the focus of Prince Perv and the stories of Wills and lady what’s her face.

Plus the evidence of bias is there too see. Look at that avocado article one about Kate one about Megan, but there are lots of examples.

For the record I don’t care about any of the royals and couldn’t give a toss about M&H. I feel like an independent observer who can see the press treated them appallingly. Until I meet anyone royal or not in person I don’t waste time predicting the kind of people they are.

NonPlayerCharacter · 05/01/2024 15:08

I honestly feel that a lot of the negative stories about H&M were ‘allowed’ to take the focus of Prince Perv and the stories of Wills and lady what’s her face.

I think you're right, but at the same time, Harry was overall one of the most popular royals until he left and started doing his own PR, and now he's totalled all that popularity. He does seem to have benefited from the Palace handling his press.

newbeggins · 05/01/2024 15:10

Pumpkinpie1 · 05/01/2024 13:56

I don’t hate M and H but I am very disappointed in them.
I think the agenda was always to do minimum for maximum reward. I think that the Oprah interview and the Netflix show have damaged their credibility globally. So much was obviously staged and manipulated, mocking the Queen was very foolish.
By comparison the Royal family have weathered the storm and not needed questionable “award” .

Same for me. I'm mixed race and was thrilled to see her brought into the RF. Thought it would be great representation for many in the country who are mixed like me.

Then their adversarial stance on exit and since the selling of their stories again and again made me reconsider what I knew about the situation.

ColesCorner7814 · 05/01/2024 15:11

ItAintGonnaGoDownEasyIfItAintCheezy · 04/01/2024 23:47

In Harry and meagains case, it's because they are hypocrites, liars and scheming backstabbers.

This is playground stuff that I thought only existed on Twitter. Grown adults. Baffling.

ColesCorner7814 · 05/01/2024 15:21

AppleCrispMacchiato · 05/01/2024 02:39

Meghan-hate is essentially a cult. People find belonging and communitas, and a sense of purpose. If you look at some of the stuff on Twitter and Tumblr, the more extreme elements act like they're fighting some kind of righteous war against a dangerous enemy, and that one day they'll 'win' and prove that Meghan is evil or whatever and Harry will renounce her and come home with his tail between his legs, and Meghan will be destroyed either lose her children or be exposed as having faked her pregnancies and the children aren't real. Some of the Meghan haters are even convinced that their campaigns will result in Meghan going to prison for treason! Just delusion and mental illness. It's very similar to the Benedict Cumberbatch "truthers" who obsessively stalk and hate his wife, and are convinced that they'll out her as a pregnancy-faking famewhore and that their Tumblr blogs will result in her going to prison.

It's some deep rooted psychological problem that causes women to become fixated on the wives and girlfriends of famous men.

It says everything that a thread asking why people are so obsessed with hating celebs immediately fills up with posters ranting about how terrible and awful Meghan is and attempting to justify the hate against her. (Which clearly isn't true, as the hate on Mumsnet was at its height during their engagement, before any of her supposed sins even happened.)

Most of the posters who have defended her in the past her aren't even fans of Meghan, just horrified by the extreme obsessive hate (and the frequent overt racial abuse) that has been aimed at Meghan on this forum ever since they first started dating. It's not a two-way thing, lovers and haters. It's entirely one-sided, hate and people horrified by hate.

I bet anything that within 24 hours this thread will be 20 pages of posters ranting about dreadful Meghan is and listing everything she's ever done wrong while simultaneously claiming not to hate her.

100% this. I defend them because the hate is relentless, hateful and childish bullying, I’m not a supporter of them or William and Kate. I’m interested in all their lives as much as I am any other celebrity but what I see on Twitter is horrific. Grown adults (mainly middle-aged women) and troll accounts spreading hate and lies.

The worst culprits are the ones that believe their kids don’t exist/they used a surrogate/ they’re fake kids. They seriously need to seek help.

LaurieStrode · 05/01/2024 15:21

The pain they caused the late Queen has a lot to do with the poor opinion of them among those who previously were happy for them.

Their aims could have been accomplished privately. And their adoption of loud and public "professional victimhood" is disgusting.

Wonder if M reads Mumsnet.

happyasaseagullstealingchips · 05/01/2024 15:23

The lack of press coverage is telling isn't it.

HottestEverRecordedTemperature · 05/01/2024 15:32

I agree that should have had MUCH greater coverage.

Roussette · 05/01/2024 15:37

happyasaseagullstealingchips · 05/01/2024 15:23

The lack of press coverage is telling isn't it.

It is very telling. This is two men who have been jailed for years for threatening to execute the son of the King of UK, and the grandchild of the king of UK.
Zilch

x2boys · 05/01/2024 15:43

LaurieStrode · 05/01/2024 15:21

The pain they caused the late Queen has a lot to do with the poor opinion of them among those who previously were happy for them.

Their aims could have been accomplished privately. And their adoption of loud and public "professional victimhood" is disgusting.

Wonder if M reads Mumsnet.

How on earth do you know they caused the Queen great pain?

verdantverdure · 05/01/2024 15:55

People know nothing about any of these people that they haven't been told.

So really, they know nothing for certain.

PurpleOrchid42 · 05/01/2024 15:57

ItAintGonnaGoDownEasyIfItAintCheezy · 04/01/2024 23:47

In Harry and meagains case, it's because they are hypocrites, liars and scheming backstabbers.

Oh dear. Ridiculous. Just the kind of thing the OP was referring to!

DeeCeeCherry · 05/01/2024 16:36

Sweaty sex offender Prince Andrew is more palatable here than Prince Harry, who committed the heinous crime of not marrying the right type of person. Says a lot about society that no matter how much the government shit on people, no matter how many MP disgusting scandals, there's always time for hate-peddlers and those that love to imbibe themselves in the hate.

H & M are a useful deflection and diversion. Its not that deep in terms of the prejudiced, envious, disappointed in life and hard of thinking being easily influenced by the gutter press; they're wired that way and government and media know exactly which buttons to push.

The royal Posts/ threads were pulled from MN weren’t they, due to nutters going too far? Im assuming this Post is a disingenuous attempt to resurrect that sonehow.

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