Can anyone explain to me why some people feel so passionate about hating Harry and Meghan, or vice versa?

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Why do people love Harry and Meghan and Hate William and Catherine so strongly. or the other way round?

I don't mean - what is their stated rationale for it, I mean what kind of psychology is behind this massive investment in total strangers?

The Dianna public grieving was a strange time, but it at least made sense - death of someone in the prime of her life, a huge loss to her family.

But why are some members of the general public so invested in picking sides in a family feud?

Which is why I’m casting doubt on the whole affair.

I really couldn’t care less knowing what another families private conversations may or may not be. The ghouls like Omid Scobie, Jeremy Clarkson and Piers Morgan can FTOF with their creepy obsession with this pair. I feel like caring what the conversations are just feeds these lunatics’ obsessions

But that’s EVERYONE born into any situation. You have children born into poverty, religion, a family that ships you off to boarding school aged 7 etc. we all have our crosses to bear. I personally believe crosses are easier to bear when you’re loaded though

Oh yes they did! A bit naughty considering they very much implied the RF were being racist. However I’m glad they set the record straight and I imagine if that interview was rewatched, the editing around that revelation would be very clear?

Like I say, if you look around how Hollywood Kardashian-esque interviews and shows work, they are just fitting in with that. Harry and Meghan now work for their American audience. Which is fine.

I’m not on RF side here BTW. As an aside I have lived in the US west coast California types are what Brits would see as quite hippyish. Self care, identity politics, and being very candid about their feelings are central to who many of them are. I’ve also known aristocratic people who are VERY much ‘stiff upper lip, rub some dirt in it’. The two are at odds. My point is: is Meghan is the stereotypical California type (apologies if you aren’t Meg!) and the RF are stereotypical aristocrats then I can very much see a situation where she was dismissed for voicing her antenatal and postnatal MH issues.

Let’s face it - when you allow 2 children to walk behind their mother’s coffin, having to listen to sobbing fools cry about someone they don’t know, we can safely deduce that you have no fucking clue on what good mental well-being looks like.

@KarenNotAKaren Good post

It's not remotely comparable. Those lives are not played out publicly, microscopically, for an entire lifetime. No escape. Every single point of failure a matter of public record and endless debate. Most people, no matter what crosses they bare, have control over their own destiny. They can choose to do something different and change the course of their life. For Royals it's literally preordained. No control, over anything. Forever.

Yes it’s public but in exchange you have immense wealth, privilege and opportunities. And that’s everyone - life comes with good and life comes with shit. IMO the RF deserve no more or less sympathy than anyone else born into circumstances they wouldn’t have chosen

Also H&M are proof that Royals CAN opt out. We don’t behead them anymore for leaving their station. But if H&M had just slunk away there’d be less hate than if they (he) slunk away and then spent 4 years moaning and trashing his family. FWIW - this is mainly about Harry. I dont blame Meghan for ditching her dad, what an absolute clown the man sounds like. I feel bad for her that she’s thrashed for doing what most normal people would do about hangers-on

@KarenNotAKaren I agree, I could never understand the demands of the public, and yes it was the public in London, demanding QEII should be in London not Scotland. It was the first time in her reign she put family before duty.

People, and the media, just wanted to see the grieving boys, I was disgusted at the time. You try and find anyone now who admits to being part of that.

I have already said on this thread, and others, that a lot of the issues are due to the culture clash between UK vs US and celebrity vs royalty. However, H did have a responsibility once he was married to explain to M how it all works. Realistically he wasn’t going to tell her before as she would have run for the hills. He failed her, but it is easier for them to blame others.

Great post @Sisterpita

Yes looking back at the time around Diana’s death WTAF were people thinking turning up to the church in Blamoral to tell a 12yo how sad they are. Fucking ghoulish weirdos.

Much of the passion people have is led by racism and much of it is about a strange loyalty they have towards the royal family

That the press made racist comments towards MM is what people should be disgusted and outraged by but for many it’s about what they thought the Queen was feeling which non of us had any real idea but for many they were far too overly emotionally involved

I think a lot of folk believe what the media feeds them - in reality we don't know any of them, the actual pressures they live under (despite of and because of the privileged lives they lead). Both William and Harry experienced the trauma of losing their mother very young, and that would affect anyone, royal or not. I'm anti the concept of monarchy but also accept that it's not their fault they were born into it. I hope both couples find happiness.

I don’t know them and I’m not interested in any of them, but it is interesting to read how so few people with strong feelings are answering the OP’s question about their own psychology. Does it suggest they lack self-awareness?

I don't understand it at all.

Couldn't care less about any of them!

I don't hate them. As far as I know they don't hate me, but I don't know for sure.

Another thing that bothers me about Harry is that he isn’t an expert in anything (except being Royal) but has decided to take it upon himself to preach about stuff he is not remotely an expert in. White privilege, hallucinogenics etc. this is a bit of a celebrity trend that irks me. Just stick to what you’re good at and leave those subjects to the experts. Embarrassing

I’ll hand it to him that I think the Invictus Games is a noble cause though.

@AppleCrispMacchiato The hate is just disproportionate to any level of annoyance that a reasonable person might feel for Meghan

This is the part of all this that I just cannot get my head around. I’m neutral on Meghan and Harry but I get why people might not like them. But I absolutely cannot fathom the lengths some people will go to in order to express their hatred of someone they have never met and who has never done them or anyone outside the Royal Family the tiniest iota of harm. It’d be fascinating, psychologically, if it weren’t also so disturbing.

Thing is, with COVID & with then having the kids, there would have been no need for Megxit anyway… They could have taken a backseat for a few years. Allow her to settle in. But I think Meghan is an absolute operator. And the mansion in Montecito was always on her radar. Harry is her ticket to paradise.

Oh yes because other royals like William only preach about what they know 🤣
william who flies all over the place, preaches about saving the planet.
william who has how many properties and land-preaches about homelessness.
the list goes on

@KarenNotAKaren "Another thing that bothers me about Harry is that he isn’t an expert in anything (except being Royal) but has decided to take it upon himself to preach about stuff he is not remotely an expert in."

Isn't that part of being Royal?

And both William and Kate trying to say they also had to go through lockdown and try and home school three children yes their experience in their mansions with lots of out door room and activities for the children and access to nannies ,and the best tutors money could buy was. exactly the same as your average British family 🙄

Hang on, they never said it was the same, they said it was difficult, I’m sure it was. People are allowed to finding things difficult even though they have more than you.

A little tone deaf don't you think,and its nor like they just have a little bit more the most people they live a life of uppermost luxury
With nannies and tutors on tap to help out .

This is probably going against the consensus as many posters said they don't like Harry because he complained despite being so rich and privileged. I wonder if any of those posters will have something to say about this. Anyway.

Thing is, with COVID & with then having the kids, there would have been no need for Megxit anyway… They could have taken a backseat for a few years. Allow her to settle in
Except that wasn't the RF's plan. Kate and William don't want to do much (if anything) until their children are grown so Meghan and Harry were supposed to cover for them, take extra engagements and duties despite having smaller children of their own. There's an on-going crisis, much-discussed in the media, of the RF not having enough working members to cover engagements and the heir and his wife definitely aren't pulling their weight which will be an impossible habit to break.

'bullying, literally followed around Mumsnet with nasty attacks made on everything you post until you name change. That's not normal, that's psychotic'

Totally agree @AppleCrispMacchiato, it is absolutely unhinged that some folk follow posters about and attack them on other threads. If you report to mnhq they take a dim view of bullying and will delete.

Well the same could be said of Harry. We are told even though he is privileged and pampered he is allowed to still have constant pity parties.

So either privileged folk can complain or they can't.

mn hq are good at deleting, they did it earlier on this thread when someone did that.