Can anyone explain to me why some people feel so passionate about hating Harry and Meghan, or vice versa?

[whyptho]

Why do people love Harry and Meghan and Hate William and Catherine so strongly. or the other way round?

I don't mean - what is their stated rationale for it, I mean what kind of psychology is behind this massive investment in total strangers?

The Dianna public grieving was a strange time, but it at least made sense - death of someone in the prime of her life, a huge loss to her family.

But why are some members of the general public so invested in picking sides in a family feud?

@AppleCrispMacchiato

Your post is spot on. And let's not forget the dreadful threads when she actually did have Archie. His appearance was mocked endlessly, threads about how she didn't know how to read a book to him or carry him in a papoose. I am not talking about a couple of posts but thread after thread after thread. She was mocked and sneered at. So was Archie

I would like to repeat some of the disgusting things written about her but will refrain. I promise you, some of you would not believe what has been written in the past. And it was still ongoing on the vile endgame six threads

Do some people just enjoy hating?

This is often cited, but I don't think it's a slam dunk case.

For one, Kate's deification by the press only came very late in her tenure, post-kids. Meghan simply didn't have the time to go through the (absolutely unfair) hazing that royal brides get.

Two, a fair few of those articles aren't strictly drawing negative inferences. They're just making comment.

Three, some of them come afterwards and in the context of, their departure from the Royal Family, so aren't why they left.

In general my headline attitude is that Harry is a messed up guy, an incredibly bad strategist, and a pretty bad husband. Partly because he was so desperate for the wife and kids that he rushed into it big time, in ways that were damaging for them both. And for Meghan, well I'm not a fan of the California yoga type, but her main crime is naivity followed by a persistent inability to see that there are two sides to every story.

and a pretty bad husband. Partly because he was so desperate for the wife and kids that he rushed into it big time, in ways that were damaging for them both

Who are you to say that?
I rushed big time too, decades later, still married
I think he'd be a caring kind husband to Meghan. But I don't know. Nor do you

I'm a random human being on the internet. I experienced a severe burnout and mental health breakdown in 2021. I come from a family with very messy personal connections and fallouts.

And I look at Harry's own words and actions about the events and think he did a piss poor job of getting the best and happiest life for his wife. There are so many things he could have been smarter or more proactive about to help her (for example none of this hit the ground running nonsense).

That's an opinion, which as far as I'm aware I'm allowed to have, right or wrong. Argue with it if you like, but arguing with my right to have it is pretty daft.

You know nothing about them or their relationship
And I don't think two years is rushing into anything
I married my dh,after being wit him just six months now that is rushing in!
I think some people are just desperate for their relationship to fail.

I don't want them to fail. On the long list of things I want or don't want, they don't feature. Which is not to say that as a person and a history graduate, I don't have an opinion.

And I know plenty of things about their relationship that are a matter of public record, or primary accounts from the couple themselves. So you're incorrect to say that I know nothing.

And a reminder - it doesn't matter if I'm wrong, you know. I'm in no way asserting that what I say is fact, or that my opinion is worth more or less than anyone else's.

Back to opinion - two years of mostly long distance dating is a rather short time to prepare to "hit the ground running".

Sorry…I’m confused…you want me to validate my anger about racism by listing all the people I find racist?? Do you always minimise the feelings of minorities this way?

I told you my feelings about the so-called skin colour discussion.

What I find disturbing is YOU are more concerned with an alleged private conversation, the details of which are entirely unknown, than you are with the fact a very prominent famous person made racist choices and remarks that had a real life impact on many, many people who already suffer enough. Why is that? I do feel like you’re trying to justify Harry’s racism. The fact his grandad was racist is neither here nor there.

@AppleCrispMacchiato people on MN called Meghan Markle and slut and a white because she once wore a crop top? Really?

Im not saying her and all female members of the RF don’t experience outrageous sexism from the press but I’d be very surprised with such language on MN about clothing choices.

@thecatsthecats yrs people either didn’t notice of forget how much Kate was absolutely despised and had her every waking moment criticises in the press.

When a new woman came along to pick on, that’s only when the press stopped. IMO. The same way the hate for Camilla ceased when Kate came along.

At least for Kate and Camilla they kind of would have known to expect the hate. I bet Harry told Meghan she’d be adored the world over and glossed over the British press’s misogyny towards the RF.

And I’ll say it now and dig it up in 15 years if I must - whoever George picks to be his life partner will be despised and hated by the press no doubt. I hope his family look out for him and have learnt from their experiences.

He certainly didn’t prepare her for what Royal life would look like. Not even close - she said herself she was totally unprepared. Why wouldn’t he help her? I think that’s being a very bad partner.

Unless your DH is the member of a world renowned high profile family that has a very specific set of archaic rules and customs, it’s not remotely the same.

You haven't lived!

I've seen FAR FAR worse on here than that

@Roussette i must have missed that but then again I don’t hang around the RF boards, it’s a scary place 😂

BTW I meant whore not white in that post 🤦🏼‍♀️

Of course it doesn’t but many, many people suffer similar to him. They have to carry on working etc though. There was a thread the other day about how much time off you got for a death in the family. I worked for a company where it was 1 day (wish I still had the handbook detailing this). There’s also one about a lady who is living in substandard housing and no one will do anything for her.

I have lived in substandard housing, nothing I could do and no one would help me. Money would have meant I had better housing choices and therefore better health. It was damp and mouldy and I was always ill with coughs/colds.

Money provides a very nice cushion, particularly when you have so much that you will never have to do a days work/worry about bills/having time off (some people won’t get paid until SSP kicks in).

I thought everyone now knew it was the now King and Princess of Wales who asked about the baby's skin colour. Lovely, wholesome Kate and the most sovereign man in the UK and commonwealth. How do you feel about them?

I want to know what they said (don't we all). They may not be the most in touch people in the world but I can't believe they wouldn't realise something like "ooh, hope the baby isn't too black" would be incredibly offensive.

The claim from the Dutch text was that Kate was "present" when the concern was supposedly raised. It's all innuendo and subtext; no-one (least of all Harry) is stating things baldly. And that makes me think it's a situation that's been inflated.

There was clearly racism from many quarters when it came to Meghan (and their children). Whether the senior members of the RF were involved in this is impossible to say given what little info exists.

I honestly don't believe that the 'privilege' of being a royal is actually a privilege at all but a gilded cage. And I believe that's the case for both William and Harry. William, the heir, who must never, ever put a foot wrong, must always be perfect in public and never betray even a smidge of his true feelings. Ever. Then Harry, the 'spare', the 'naughty' one, who has more 'freedom' to be 'himself' in public but is hounded and criticised for doing so. Losing their mother was only the tip of the iceberg. Imagine having to swallow all your grief, losing the one person who is truly on your side, wholeheartedly, in that gilded cage. Imagine hearing the conspiracy theories that your grandmother had something to do with her death, that she was pregnant at the time of the crash. Imagine knowing you were brought into the world for one, sole purpose, by which you will always be treated and judged. I'm sorry but psychologically there is way more going on for William and Harry than a dead mother. Those family dynamics, from birth till death, are another level of fucked up - the likes of which the vast majority of us will never experience. No amount of wealth and 'privilege' would ever convince me to swap places with them.

Correct me if I am wrong but didn’t Harry himself say it was not racist and he (and Meghan) had not said it was - he said it was the media who said it was racist.

Additionally in the Oprah interview he said it was one conversation only. Meghan said she wasn’t present.

No one on here knows exactly who said what, the context or when it was said.

I do think it was wrong to put it into the public arena without being prepared to provide context and what was actually said.

Can't imagine anyone feels 'passionate' about 'hating' them or anyone else in the public eye. I don't give them any thought at all, except for when I read or see something about them whinging on about privacy, then I think 'what a pair of twats' then forget about it until next time. I don't hate them, I think they are deluded and pathetic.

I do think it was wrong to put it into the public arena without being prepared to provide context and what was actually said.
100%

I sort of see the fascination with them as on a par with the Truman Show. Their every move, from birth till death, is a matter of public record. No other 'celebrity' comes close to that, so i suppose i get it. It's a big deal, whether you approve of the monarchy or not. I'm rooting for them to find their rowing boats, weather the storm, and break free from the circus. What a crazy life it must be.

Harry said no one in his family is racist after the Oprah interview. Not sure why people are still discussing the so-called racism. He said that was the media spin and neither him nor Meghan called them racist.

I personally find that even more ridiculous after Oprah, but for people who believe Harry, you should at least respect his own words.

A third hand rumour penned by a sycophantic waste of space? Yeah I’m not listening to that drivel.

My opinions otherwise…

She is about as inoffensive and bland as they come. Meh, says I!

The King, again mostly meh. I don’t give a shite about all the Camilla/Diana mess. Live and let live. He’s had a few dodgy mates though IIRC.

But neither have glorified genocide so, as much as it seems to upset people on here, I still dislike Harry much, much more.