Can anyone explain to me why some people feel so passionate about hating Harry and Meghan, or vice versa?

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Why do people love Harry and Meghan and Hate William and Catherine so strongly. or the other way round?

I don't mean - what is their stated rationale for it, I mean what kind of psychology is behind this massive investment in total strangers?

The Dianna public grieving was a strange time, but it at least made sense - death of someone in the prime of her life, a huge loss to her family.

But why are some members of the general public so invested in picking sides in a family feud?

Reported in Guardian. And maybe in the Mail?

I’d find it hard to hate any celebrities. IME hate is very close to love and I don’t have those kind of feelings for people I don’t know.

But H&M are v annoying. The incessant whining from the over privileged millionaires is nauseating. I mean the man seriously sat there at almost 40 years of age and complained how daddy cut him off. Then he has the nerve to school others about white privilege. Prick. Meghan - she just comes across as very California, nothing wrong with that but a bad fit for the RF. she’s a victim of her husband not schooling her properly on royalty more than anything. I don’t think she’s a purposeful liar as such but in her USA Hollywood world, celebs embellish and exaggerate for entertainment purposes and she is clearly following that Kardashian style formula and got affronted when it turns out the RF weren’t about that.

Kate and William seem nice but terribly dull. But I suppose the any monarch-to-be SHOULD be dull and love an uneventful life. The Queen, dare I say it, was a little dull.

I agree with this. I was baffled when she complained that no one “on the institution” prepared her on how to be a Royal. If Oprah Winfrey was a half decent interviewer she’d have asked Harry why HE didn’t prepare her.

I suspect he didn’t because he didn’t want her to run a mile.

More importantly why is there so much negativity towards H&M while Andrew Windsor seems to get a fee pass from the same people?

I think given they have gone on Oprah, did a documentary, and he wrote a book, it's not surprising some people don't like them.

Yes you can argue none of us really know them, but they have gone out of their way to make themselves fairly known.

And some of the things they have said have rubbed people the wrong way. That's the nature of putting your business in the media.

They have not only put their own business out there, but they have handed his family over on a silver platter as well. I think a lot of people have trouble accepting him gossiping about his family.

Where do you see this? I don't know anyone who likes Andrew. Again I'm in Canada but everyone I know is grossed out by the whole thing.

It seems disingenuous to say people who don't like h and m are fine with a rapist.

How often do you meet them, to come to this conclusion?

So what you’re saying is you like W and K because the media tell you nice things about them and you dislike H and M because the media tells you bad things about them. Totally rational…
Also doesn’t answer the question in the OP.

But H and M have talked to the media. They have complained a lot from their own lips. It seems reasonable some people don't like them because of their own actions, nothing to do with the media.

Many people didn't like the Oprah interview. That was all them, not media interpretation.

Who is Andrew Windsor?

I would also like to point out that Harry - who let’s face it is the absolute epitome of white privilege - has himself portrayed very racist behaviour. Dressing as a Nazi was unforgivable IMO - I don’t care that he ‘spoke to a Rabbi’ after it, the fact he got away with it through the medium of being a ‘cheeky chappy’ is one thing. To then have the fucking nerve to school others on racism when he himself displayed racist behaviour, is an absolute joke

Maybe I wasn't very clear. I think it's disgusting that the case hasn't been reported on.

@unbelieveable22 what does me defending Meghan and Harry tell you about how awful a person I am? It should have been front page and all over the internet, it wasn't.

What a weird way to read something.

As I identified, I live in the US and have not and do not ever expect to have a personal relationship or contact with anyone in the RF. Therefore, of course, the only knowledge I have of them is through media. That doesn't mean media tells me what to think, it just means what little I know of these personalities comes through facts reported in media. If you expect me to form an opinion based on personal knowledge of how they treat their butlers, I can't possibly have that. I'll venture to guess that people who do have that personal knowledge, aren't posting about it on Mumsnet (but I might be wrong).

In media, Kate and William carry themselves with poise and dignity and are generally feel-good news. Nothing to dislike there. In media, Harry and Meghan act as publicity hungry, insufferable, overprivileged whiners. In their own words and actions, they come across as shallow, self-absorbed and completely lacking awareness of their immense privilege. Mine, and as far as I know, the general reaction of my social circle to H&M's names popping up is a little like what I imagine the world feels when Florida pops up in the news - oh God, now what - followed by an eye roll. If they disappeared from the news, I'd never give them a second thought.

Thus, the short answer to the OP's question is that I don't know anyone in real life who cares to any appreciable extent but given that this thread is now 10 pages with some really passionate posters, it does appear that some people are crazy invested in personalities they've never met!

@KarenNotAKaren "To then have the fucking nerve to school others on racism when he himself displayed racist behaviour, is an absolute joke"

Funny how some people are forgiven their youthful follies and some aren't.

I am not sure if you have misquoted me but I agree with you. My point was you put up a post drawing attention to Gibbons and Walsh and other than @Roussette not one other poster commented.
That may be shocking elsewhere but not here. It is par for the course. Oprah, Spare can be talked about ad infinitum but dare you mention the threats to kill Harry and Meghan, it's look and comment on anything else time.

If any poster described any child on any forum, especially a parenting forum, as an 'abomination that should be put down' there would be over 8,000 posts on here rightly condemning them. Instead we have over 8,000 posts on the way Meghan smiles. what Harry did or did not put in his book, what Omid wrote, the way Meghan flicks her hair, holds her hand, and on and on. When such statements as that above are ignored then those ignoring or deflecting are part of the problem. Shame on them all.

It's not as if Gibbons and Walsh were the first to be jailed or found guilty of threats against Harry, Meghan and family. There have been ongoing convictions for the past few years. Last one before Gibbons and Walsh was December 2023.

For those claiming there are two sides. I couldn't give a fiddlers about who people are, have no interest in any family but do care when I see someone being torn to shreds for being themselves. Yes, mistakes were made but who doesn't do that? It's not as if we are all perfect but perhaps some think they are.

@unbelieveable22

I agree. I was taken aback that, apart from one poster, no one even commented on the link.

This is the son and the grandson of the Monarch of the UK ... men jailed for wanting them executed and not a squeak on MN, apart from one poster. They had a podcast and a radio station and they called Archie 'a creature' who should be put down.

You only have to google it to see China, US, Europe reporting on it but on MN nowt.
Why?
It leads me to a very dark train of thought so I will leave it there.

New posters, who have not read the thread are coming to give their opinion. That is why you’re not seeing much response to that terrible news story. Most people don’t wade all the way through. That’s how MN works.

People didn't seen to mind at he time ,they laughed it off as Harry being Harry
It was when he started complaining about his own Family ,s treatment of his wife and their unborn child that suddenly people!e had a problem with Harry's past " Racist commrbts" for which he has apologized for
His Grandfather was hugely racist and everybody just laughed it off as good old Prince Philip .

That doesn't explain why those that did read it didn't comment

I can't stand the royal family, especially after the whole Prince Andrew thing.

I'm no fan of Harry but admire him for getting out of the freak show and standing up to bullies like Piers Morgan and the British press.

@Snork11 you wrote In media, Kate and William carry themselves with poise and dignity
And you honestly can’t see that that’s the media presentation? You only see them behave like that because that’s all you are shown.

interesting, this shows what some posters do, hound a poster like @Roussette who doesn't name change. brings up stuff that may or may not have happened, just to make a veiled personal attack,