Can anyone explain to me why some people feel so passionate about hating Harry and Meghan, or vice versa?

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Why do people love Harry and Meghan and Hate William and Catherine so strongly. or the other way round?

I don't mean - what is their stated rationale for it, I mean what kind of psychology is behind this massive investment in total strangers?

The Dianna public grieving was a strange time, but it at least made sense - death of someone in the prime of her life, a huge loss to her family.

But why are some members of the general public so invested in picking sides in a family feud?

Culture wars stirred up by tabloid scum like the 'Mail Online'.

No-one should care as it really doesn't affect any of us.

However, I'll say this..I only have to think of those smirking women blanking Meghan Markle as she went over to thank the crowd at the Queens funeral to get a feeling of rage.

Such a petty, pathetic act..really embarrassing and unnecessary.

I have no real opinion about any of them either way.

But in the case of H&M, I think the irritation people have with them is that they wanted to get out of the limelight and move away, which is fair enough, but then continued to flaunt and live off the Royal Highness name as much as possible. They are a bit "have their cake and eat it."

Yes, I agree with this

I presume you are an adult using this site?
That comment was so embarrassing.

Um I think you’ll find that many of us DID very much mind that he dressed as a Nazi. Those of us in the Jewish community were absolutely outraged, and we were ignored. I don’t need you to tell me how people ignore anti-semitism until it suits them in a later argument, I know fine we’ll.
Even so - does that make it ok for him to be a massive hypocrite? I’d love to see any actual evidence of racism against his unborn child, or indeed his wife. Meanwhile he, one of the world’s most educated men who has always had a sea of advisors, actively chose to display overt racism and we are just supposed to accept a half arsed apology 20 years later?

I also strongly object to the words ‘racist comments’ being in inverted commas, as if there’s a dispute about wether they were racist. They were. When someone like a Prince publicly displays racism, it matters. A family privately pondering the skin colour of a mixed race baby, as MANY mixed race families do, is not of concern unless you need to mention it in your Very Important Interview.

I really don’t know how people can dispute they are liars. They’ve been caught out! Such as the news of how the QM died and the ludicrous claim they got married 3 days earlier than their ‘spectacle’ wedding. It’s VERY Hollywood to stretch the truth to make a good story - then again MM is from Hollywood and I think it’s a case of incompatibility with aristocracy rather than any wilful deception.

This is not about posters behaviour on here and I don't remember anyone being called that horrible term, nor would I have laughed at it. Why would I laugh at someone being called the c word?

We are talking about a news item from 2 days ago and there is no need to single me out for criticism because that's not what we are talking about. Why am I responsible for other posters' behaviour?

Someone being rude to a poster versus jail terms for criminals threatening the son and grandson of the King to execute them.

Please don't make this so personal about me, it's unfair

Yet another personal attack on @Roussette .

I notice the claims about sides come from certain posters.
It seems to be acceptable to post about all aspects of Harry, Meghan and their family life , everything but real reason they had to leave the UK. The deflections continues.

I’m fairly neutral and indifferent when it comes to the RF - I wouldn’t shed a tear if they were abolished, I tolerate them like most people. But in tolerating them I expect them to get on with their work quietly and not be twats. Sadly a small few seem to be wedded to being massive twats. But it’s SO patronising to say “Oh people only dislike H&M because the media tells them to” 🙄 people are well able to observe someone’s behaviour and draw their own conclusion. Just because YOU don’t like that people have done that it doesn’t mean their opinion is invalid. The fact is H&M who have wealth beyond actual belief continue to moans about their sorrows whilst peddling the “We’re just NORMAL people” line. Not that sorrows can only lie in lack of money but in a cost of living crisis, it’s hard to sympathise with the wealthy because they can’t quite afford the fancy mansion they want to have.

I dislike Harry intensely and have since his Nazi nonsense. I strongly suspect that the RF and his advisors supressed a lot of nastiness from him and managed to pull off a cheeky chappy image. Meghan seems to be largely a victim of falling in love with a person who failed to fully prepare her for the life she was about to take up, and she in understandably really fucking confused as to what the hell this archaic institution is all about. I know KM got the moniker ‘waity Katie’ but I am impressed William made her wait so she fully knew what she was letting herself in forS

He didn't say they were privately pondering the babies skin colour he Said they expressed concern how dark the babies skin colour would be ,huge difference.

And I’m inclined to seriously disagree that anyone ‘expressed concern’. Given their tendancy to err towards the exaggerated, embellished and professionally offended attitude, I’m inclined to believe a normal conversation happened WRT a mix raced Baby and it just exacerbated an already fractious atmosphere with two people looking for problems finding one.

But if you think that makes his racism OK then I don’t know what to say.

As you were not there on cannot possibly know
However on the face of it ,it appears you only have concerns when Harry is bring racist and when the rest of Royal.family are you are completely dismissive .

Where did I say that makes his racism ok?
I was pointing out Where you completely minimised what he actually said .

Well that goes for anything anyone says doesn’t it. I’m using my judgement and also a healthy dose of common sense.

Yes I am deeply concerned that Harry was glorifying Nazis (wether he meant to or not, he is a world renowned Prince and what he does matters, and that’s what he did) as a Jewish person. This was also at a time where Holocaust denial was starting to really take pace in society. It was racist, pure and simple. We all saw it. Jewish people were affected by it. An Alleged private family conversation with unknown members that may or may not have been racist, is NOT the same and shame on anyone who thinks it is. There’s also different accounts from H&M as to when this conversation happened - but I’m afraid I find it very difficult to believe someone took Harry aside and ‘expressed concern’ about the colour of his baby. This is a man with a history of making racist statements and a very loose grasp of the truth. Pardon me if I don’t jump to believe him or trust him.

You earlier said “Oh no one cared when he was racist until he started making accusations himself” - which makes me think his former racism is justifiable in some people’s eyes. I notice you’ve responded to all my posts except the one that stated that actually many people did care very deeply about his Nazi uniform and actually ‘sorry…I met a Rabbi!” Doesn’t cut the mustard for us

Which smirking women?

I don’t think Meghan Markle thanked any crowds at the Queen’s funeral? It would have been extremely inappropriate and she’s doesn’t come across as having bad manners.

I don’t think William and Kate are swearing, being loutish and smoking fags in front of cameras and the media just aren’t showing it.

The RF press team book photo opps, various bland members turn up in pretty clothes, kiss babies and behave blandly, then go home.

William and Kate understand the ‘be bland’ brief and they’re consistent. I’m sure, like any celebrity, their persona behind closed doors is different but really who gives a shit. I don’t want to get to know the personalities of the RF personally, they aren’t celebs in the traditional fashion, they’re advocates for an institution that had an expiry date, and if they want that date to be a long one they needs to glide by being inoffensive. Harry can afford to not quite abide by that sentiment but his brother certainly can’t

Exactly. If you say anything that's positive or even neutral about Meghan you get insane levels of abuse and bullying, literally followed around Mumsnet with nasty attacks made on everything you post until you name change. That's not normal, that's psychotic.

This is not about posters behaviour on here and I don't remember anyone being called that horrible term, nor would I have laughed at it. Why would I laugh at someone being called the c word?

I don't know what the deleted post said but the only time the C word has been said in Royal Chat has been against Meghan and Meghan fans. There used to be a black poster who used to defend Meghan and she was called both the C word and the N word on here and ultimately was bullied away from Mumsnet.

The hate is just disproportionate to any level of annoyance that a reasonable person might feel for Meghan. It's not normal to create 50 sockpuppet accounts to keep spreading hate against a celeb you've never met, it's not normal to call strangers online ct and n*r just because they object to using racial smears.

The year Harry and Meghan met, there were over 15 separate threads about the "allegation" that Meghan was a prostitute and that there was a sex tape of her that the royals had covered up. Hundreds of racists comments about Doria and that one racially-charged conspiracy theory that the haters were pushing about Doria. People forget or are pretending to forget how off the scale the racism and hate were during their engagement and marriage, and pretend the dislike is due to their actions since leaving. Actually Meghan is much less hated since she left, though Harry is more hated.

The threads on here when Meghan was pregnant with Archie were the worst I've ever seen on Mumsnet, ever.

No, they were at the same event a few days before.

You clearly don't like Harry so have decided that everything he says is a lie
So because of your dislike of Harry have dismissed his concerns about his own family making racist remarks about his unborn child , I think your judgement is somewhat clouded

No I don’t like him. Why would I? He’s a racist and he has a loose grasp of the truth. I don’t care how posh or wealthy someone is, racist liars aren’t really my sort of folk.

Their claims of racism are so vague, it’s all about an unspecified remark by an unnamed individual. I don’t tend to wholly believe half-stories and I’m amazed at anyone who does. I’m even LESS likely to believe half stories of racism from someone who they themselves are racist and have a fondness for telling porkie pies.

I think a large part of the culture clash was to do with the fact she is American. She didn’t ‘get’ the RF - and why the hell would she, it’s really a very odd thing for a country to have - and they didn’t get someone so very outside of their aristocratic sphere. It was almost destined to fail. Which is a shame really - so many people were so happy when they got married. I don’t blame them for scarpering TBH, but if they’d just scarpered they wouldn’t be disliked. It’s the fact they (well, he) have left and then moaned for 4 years about it all. Between him and his uncle they’re an embarrassment, and I suspect the PR brief is leverage the less offensive members of the family for damage limitation.

This thread is supposed to be about analysing the obsession that royals inspire in some people, so typical that it's turned into the trillionth thread about how awful Harry and Meghan are. Why? If you don't like them, just ignore them.

I've never seen any "hate" about William and Kate here even Andrew gets defended on here, the only iffy things about Kate have been threads about her weight. But you can't proffer even the mildest critical opinion without their fans getting outraged and mass reporting to try to censor anything critical.

Posters can call Meghan racial slurs and claim she used to be a prostitute, call her fans n**r and c*t and that's fine. But if you say "In my opinion William's low number of work engagements compared to the elderly members of his family means that he has a poor work ethic" all hell breaks lose.

I remember once a tabloid published a thing Meghan had done as a professional actress where she'd worn a white shirt tied up to reveal a bit of her midriff which of course generated in MN threads calling her a slut, a whore, an attention-seeker, unladylike, lots of unflattering comparisons to "ladylike and modest" Kate, and another poster posted something like "that's a bit rich considering Kate was papped topless on a balcony, and the magazine editor testified in court that they'd also taken footage of her giving William a outdoor blowjob" and another poster claimed to have reported them to the police for libelling Kate.

I remember someone starting a thread about Kate where the OP was something like, "I love Kate's style but I think it was a mistake for her to wear such expensive jewelry to meet NHS nurses, what do others thing?" and it was almost immediately deleted because it got mass reported. Yet the comment where a poster wrote the N word in all caps was up for more than 12 hours without a single person reporting it.

There's no way Harry or Meghan could win because the whole royal forum has been so thoroughly taken over by ardent pro-royalists.

Is it only Harry you don't like being racist?
Is it ok that they expressed concerns about an unborn ,child's skin colour?
Or what about Prince Philips many many racist remarks over the years ?