So worried about my baby, can any mums helps

[Mangochutneey]

I have joined mumsnet specifically to ask about this as I am now feeling desperate. My baby had his one year vaccines this time last week, four injections in total including the MMR. The following day he had a high temperature of over 40, called 111 when nothing brought it down and they said to take to a and e. We did this and they said he was fine and temperature was high but probably the vaccine. Sent home. He has been an entirely different baby since that day. Temperature over 40 continued on and off for first 4 days, that has now stopped.

But my baby is looking vacant, not engaging, staring into space, not playing. We went to the supermarket yesterday and two separate people commented that ‘if looks could kill,’… he looks angry. This is not like him. The biggest worry I have is sleep… he slept 14.5 hours last night and is now having a nap again already after waking up at 9:30am? He did the same yesterday and also had a 2.5 hour nap in the afternoon as well. That’s almost 18 hours of sleep a day?

I am very pro vaccines and we are paying for the chicken pox one soon but this has really scared me. Why is he sleeping so much so long after? Why has his temperament changed?

I really would keep him off tomorrow if you possibly can, and Friday too unless he's 100% if it's at all possible for you. Or at least a half day. That way he can go back on Monday fully recovered.

Ah so by that logic we should all stop using seat belts because of the tiny few that have been injured as a result of seatbelts and just disregard the billions that have been saved?

Where the bloody hell have I disregarded the good done at population level by vaccines? Where have I said no one should be vaccinated?

Please read what I have written before frothing.

The point is when people post about car seats or other do you instantly see a response about the tiny number harmed by them? What would think if they did?

Or calpol and advice around that. Something rarely medically needed. If people instantly started referencing the tiniest risk we would think absurd.

Yet whenever vaccines come up there’s always the same old nonsense and their enablers.

I stopped talking completely after getting vaccines, super strange. apparentely i would talk away but suddenly went mute and didnt speak for another 3 years, strange hey

@AnneValentine you can’t just take it at face value though because long term adverse effects could be hard to link to a vaccine. And Covid vaccine in children is nothing like wearing a seatbelt. That vaccine is a higher risk to them than the disease.

Now you’re going to have to source that statement.

"That vaccine is a higher risk to them than the disease."
Citation please?

My ds reacted badly to every Mmr it is a nasty jab.
High temp around 40 that only came down with calpol and nurofen and really grizzly.
I would give it a few more days as symptoms ime last about a week.
His preschool booster just now he had a swollen hard lump in his arm.. Was scary looking but apparently normal and went down eventually.

OP, I’m glad you saw the GP and got reassurance. I hope your DC goes back to 100% soon. You asked about nursery - I’d keep him home for another few days. Not because of some great danger, but just like I skip gym until I have fully recovered from the cold. He seems to need another few days of rest.

And I’m sorry so many PPs are actong like total arses, derailing the thread, and feeding your anxiety. Remember, they have no medical training and have not seen the child, and a GP saw him today.

Hope your DC is well, and hope you are too. It might be wise to step away from this thread now z

She won’t. Multiple nonsense statements from this one.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-of-children-and-young-people-aged-12-to-17-years-jcvi-statement/jvci-statement-on-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-and-young-people-aged-12-to-17-years-15-july-2021#:~:text=At%20this%20time%20JCVI%20does,a%20precautionary%20approach%20is%20preferred.

See Considerations
Direct health benefits

The government then decided to disregard research so they could end the lockdown

When my baby was unwell recently he slept for almost 24 hours. It was incredible. I have faith in what the GP said regarding your baby just recovering from their temperature. Babies are fragile but their bodies know what they need and marathon sleeps seem to really hasten their recovery.

That doesn’t say what you said 😂🙄

Well parts of the UK are now very close to the threshold for a measles epidemic. So any parents worried about the mmr can just hang on bit and let their toddler experience The Real Deal if they like. I suspect afterwards vaccination rates will go back up.

It says :

JCVI carefully considered reports of myocarditis following the use of the Pfizer-BioNTech BNT612b2 and Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccines in younger adults. At this time JCVI does not consider that the benefits of vaccination outweigh the potential risks

but the discussion on the .gov website is about children aged 12-17. There was more information available globally at the time and I don’t know how you missed it

I haven't read the comments so not sure if someone has mentioned it could be an absent/absence seizure due to the high temperature? Blank stares and eyes rolling? It happened to my friend's baby.

“Doesn’t consider the benefits to outweigh risks AT THIS TIME” is not the same as “That vaccine is a higher risk to them than the disease”.

In addition to this it’s not part of the routine vaccine schedule for children who aren’t at risk, because vaccine recommendations are based on science. But well done for exposing yourself as an anti vaxxer and covid denier.

Speak to the doctor. Fever can very rarely trigger other medical issues. However its extremely rare, and not linked to vaccines just fevers

@Cappuccino17 gp said he hadn’t had a seizure but didn’t say how they could tell for sure. The staring into space has stopped now though. Were the seizures damaging? And was it obvious they’d had them?

The reason there is no further guidance against it is because the government went ahead with vaccinating children against Covid shortly after this statement without further research.

This doesn’t mean I’m anti- vaccine or a Covid denier.

I'm pro vaccine but my two kids have only just had their MMR - they're 11. Both fit healthy and robust pre teens.

Both said they felt utterly utterly shit after the first one. My son said his arm felt like it was about to burst. Daughter said she felt like it was burning from the inside out.

They're 11 and can talk. They can verbalise exactly how it felt.

It's exactly the same amount of MMR vaccine that goes into a small baby as an 11 year old. The same needle injection.

Really doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that it's a bloody lot for a small body to take. And this baby had another 3 vaccines given at the same time?

I've spaced mine out - big time. I'm so pleased I did.

Seriously dont understand why the dose is the same whether you're an adult or a baby. The dose for Calpol certainly isn't!

Oh and I waited because my best friend's son had a serious reaction to the MMR- completely lost his speech, zoned out, kind of went floppy. He changed completely personality wise. Of course could be a coincidence but really, it wasn't and we all know that. Sadly it will react badly for some. It's a risk whichever way you look at it. They had the rest of their childhood vaccines as babies/toddlers but I spaced them out massively. Never had more than one on one visit ever.

@Mangochutneey apparently they are harmless it's just the baby's body's way of coping with a temperature spike and they outgrow it. I'm Not sure if absence seizures are obvious some can be very brief some not but baby can blank out and just stare. Because they don't present as fever fits it might be easier to miss. My friends baby only had it once. The after effects can be drowsiness and sleeping. Might just be worth consulting it with GP incase a temp spike can cause this again atleast you know and you're aware. It might not be this though. Just worth checking.

I think just keep it simple, he's not himself( which could be the fevers and reaction to the vaccine) and drowsy not engaging. If you say drowsy they will listen as it is medical terminology.

There is current guidance on the vaccinations of children. Here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-6-months-to-4-years-jcvi-advice-9-december-2022/covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-6-months-to-4-years-jcvi-advice-9-december-2022

But regardless “benefit doesn’t outweigh risk” does not translate to “the risk of the disease is lower than the risk of the vaccine”.