So worried about my baby, can any mums helps

[Mangochutneey]

I have joined mumsnet specifically to ask about this as I am now feeling desperate. My baby had his one year vaccines this time last week, four injections in total including the MMR. The following day he had a high temperature of over 40, called 111 when nothing brought it down and they said to take to a and e. We did this and they said he was fine and temperature was high but probably the vaccine. Sent home. He has been an entirely different baby since that day. Temperature over 40 continued on and off for first 4 days, that has now stopped.

But my baby is looking vacant, not engaging, staring into space, not playing. We went to the supermarket yesterday and two separate people commented that ‘if looks could kill,’… he looks angry. This is not like him. The biggest worry I have is sleep… he slept 14.5 hours last night and is now having a nap again already after waking up at 9:30am? He did the same yesterday and also had a 2.5 hour nap in the afternoon as well. That’s almost 18 hours of sleep a day?

I am very pro vaccines and we are paying for the chicken pox one soon but this has really scared me. Why is he sleeping so much so long after? Why has his temperament changed?

Great update OP.

Eye rolling can be a sign of a range of things including a side effect, seizures, kidney disease, autism or simply because he’s just learnt he can do it and is just playing with his eyes like he would any other part of his body.

He sounds fine but like with anything it’s worth keeping an eye on things and perhaps logging any abnormal behaviours and take him straight back if worried.

My DD reacted badly to the 12 month jabs. She was really poorly for days, to the point where she stopped eating and drinking. She was listless in between sleeping for a few days. I was so worried, and had her seen by a doctor a few times. She got over it and recovered but it was horrible and felt like it was never ending (although it was probably about a week).

She has also eye rolled too (can’t remember if it was after the jabs or on another occasion she’s been poorly). Took her to doctor and they weren’t concerned by the eye roll. She did it a handful of times after she’d recovered from the illness but that’s stopped now. I found she did it when tired and unwell.

Hope your baby feels better soon- it’s so horrible when they are ill!

Can the anti vaxxers please sod off and peddle their nonsense elsewhere.

I don’t think it’s the ‘anti vaxxers’ who have taken over the thread.

If she had taken her baby to a private doctor they would have taken a blood test

How worrying OP. I really feel for you. I have no idea if this helps but both of my kids had quite big reactions to the 1 year jabs. My son slept loads like yours has and my daughter did the exact opposite and stopped sleeping. Both had fevers with other various side effects and both took about a fortnight to get back to themselves. It is a pain in the arse (obviously not as much of a pain in the arse as the actual horrible illnesses they protect them from) so you have my full sympathy. Glad you saw the Dr. Hope you some relief and can relax a bit yourself.

I am glad OP's son looks to be well and seems to have had a transient reaction to his vaccines.

I find the dismissal of any person who expressed any anxiety about vaccines or mentions that they can cause reactions as hysterical anti-vaxxers very frustrating.

Yes at a population level vaccines have been a completely fantastic public health success and have prevented the deaths of millions of people globally from diseases that terrified people just a few generations ago.

This does not mean that some children, presumably for reasons of their immune system functioning and/or genetic makeup, don't have severe reactions to vaccines which can be as bad as or even worse than the illness they were being vaccinated against. I know this because, as a previously happy go lucky vaxxer who took every vaccine going for my kids and even paid for additional vaccines, one of my sons has now had two severe reactions to vaccines, one of which came close to killing him.

He developed severe immune thrombocytopenic purpura after a flu vaccine (not nose squirt) which left him with zero platelets and bleeding from the nose, mouth and into his skin. Any blow to the head would have killed him. It took him a year to recover fully.

He then developed pericarditis after his second COVID vaccine (Pfizer). His GP advised no more COVID vaccines (he was given them as there is a family member who is immune suppressed).

I don't worry about my other children having any vaccine they are offered, but for this son from now on the illness being vaccinated against would have to be very severe indeed for me to grant that permission, and I will ensure into adulthood that he is aware that he appears to often mount very strong reactions to vaccines.

Dismissing that 77 people have been so damaged by COVID vaccines and able to prove conclusively enough that it was the vaccine that caused the damage so as to get the payout feels very callous if your child, or brother, or parent or spouse is one of those who has experienced a life changing reaction.

Of course at a population level vaccines are a wonderful, wonderful thing. At an individual level, particularly where people have had a previous significant reaction, this can be more equivocal, and whilst severe reactions are thankfully very rare, they do happen.

My son has been that one in a million kid who has had a huge reaction twice now. When that happens to you, it causes you to re evaluate truths you have always held as certain, like that only hysterical anti-vaxxers worry about vaccinating and that of course everyone should have every jab going. I hope you never see it from this side.

That is not true.

Ofcourse its not ok, however its the same with medication there will always be a risk.
would you not deny yourself medication just because it comes with risks?

i almost died after not having being vaccinated for a simple childhood illness.
i will always take the risk of vaccination of not vaccinating.

No one has dismissed anything.

its funny how whenever someone offers balance of the 77 who’ve had pay outs is being dismissive yet we never accuse anti vaxxers as being dismissive of those who’ve died from preventable diseases. It’s hyperbole, emotional tactics to distract. ALL medical procedures come with risk. ALL of them. And many cause death. We don’t argue against them though do we? Just the vaccines.

No one said anything about taking over the thread - totally different request.

I’m glad the doctor was reassuring OP. I hope your little one feels better soon, it’s a lot for their little immune systems when they have all these vaccines. This is probably a bit long of a watch for now, but I watched this great video about vaccines and the mmr scandal the other day, which looks at the research papers and studies etc and completely debunks the MMR autism “links” as the complete bollocks they are. Definitely worth a watch to reassure yourself at some point, if you have the time.

Hope your wee one is feeling better soon OP.

@Mangochutneey it's so worrying. My little one has had high temperature for last couple of weeks & is completely miserable & constant sad face, I wonder if my smiley baby will ever return. Only advice doctor gives is wait it out. My child has a virus so nothing related to vaccination but just shows you how children react to being unwell. Hope your baby shows improvement soon,it is very hard being a parent especially when you don't have someone to worry with you.

Hi OP, just to say my seven month old baby's eyes roll when he's very tired. Sounds to me like your little one is probably just having a strong immune response so their system is working hard enough to make them exhausted. Hopefully in a few days your little one will be back to normal. NB I also recall my 3 yo sleeping lots after the 1 yo vaccines for a few days. All that said if you are still worried in a couple of days or anything gets worse do go back to the doctor. Good luck!

Thanks! It’s definitely the eye rolling that has scared me most but it was totally dismissed as nothing by the GP

How predictable.

Not a sympathetic word uttered about that posters DS, you just want to gloss over people's negative experiences.

Nobody on here has expressed any anti vax views whatsoever yet you keep on parroting the same thing. Anti vax this, anti vax that.

Change the record.

The people you're slamming as being anti vax have written about their children having their vaccinations, so how can they be anti vax?

Being an anti vaxxer means refusing vaccinations completely. It isn't an umbrella term that you can lump everybody under when they express any slight concern about side effects.

If a fever lasts longer than 5 days go back to the GP.

I completely disagree that anti vaxxers haven’t expressed their views.

That’s a total misrepresentation of many of the posts on this thread.

I also disagree with your perspective that I have not been supportive. In fact those who’ve used this an opportunity to scaremonger are the ones that should be called out.

Hi OP
I’m pleased to hear the GP checked him over and he was also a bit better in himself today. I’m also a first time mum and understand how hard it feels when they are unwell. As pp have said always trust your instincts and get a baby checked over and go back again if you are still worried. 9 out of 10 times it can be treated at home but sometimes they will need further medical treatment and it’s always best to be sure.

They are however peddling nonsense and need to piss off. Oh and stop trying to paint themselves as poor little persecuted victims.

My DS was unwell after the one year vaccines. I had gp and out of hours appointments to just be continually told it was vaccine side effects. Eventually at the 2 week mark they realised he had a raging throat and ear infection, I felt awful I hadn't pushed further but also upset we'd seen so many people and they all dismissed him because it was bad timing. They do say side effects can last up to 2 weeks but if he's still unwell after that I'd say keep going back. My DS slept loads, had a temperature to begin with but it subsided after the first few days and was just generally not him and didn't eat well.

My pfb didn’t cope well with mmr. He had mild symptoms two weeks apart with two high fevers. He was a weedy thin pre term baby. He spent a lot of his baby toddler years getting very sick, presenting a bit like meningitis. Ending up in hospital. The good news is that he was very rarely if ever sick once he reached 4. Now he is sick if it’s flu or covid.

Most medical procedures occur to correct something wrong though. Like having a cracked tooth removed and getting dry socket, or having an appendectomy and getting a postoperative infection.

It hits different when you behaved responsibly for the population (eg giving a healthy 15 year old a COVID vaccine even though very few 15 year olds suffer badly from COVID) and inadvertently caused damage to a previously healthy child.

I don't think, btw, that OP's son's reaction is anything like my son's, or that she necessarily need fear future vaccines. I remain convinced at population level of their use and efficacy.

I hope you aren't referring to me.