To think there's too much left wing dissonance

[LefthandRight]

Feminist but support women hating philosophies and cultures
LGBT friendly except for the L part
Want to make minorities feel safe except for the Jewish community
Believe in the NHS but go private when needed
Think we should continue atoning for colonialism but mention Germany and WW2 and its like....move on already
Hate unearned privilege but it's handy I'll be left a property
Applaud multiculturalism but seek out monoculturalism in my holidays
Avoid palm oil as it kills trees but I must have a Christmas tree
Eat vegan because factory farming is disgusting....except the stuff that goes into my rescue cat food
Believe women shouldn't kneel to the standards and demands of the patriarchy, but I still remove my body hair, its my choice after all

The feminist point is an interesting one. For the left, femininity only extends to how women dress, hairy armpits and acting dopey and hormonal. Trans fundamentalists prove this. but when it comes to the most feminine or feminine traits, for example having a uterus and giving birth, well that has nothing to do with womanhood, does it? Apparently men now promote tampax and the like.

There is no misogyny like leftie misogyny.

Why don't you do a comparison for the right wingers op?

Do you think that women who don't give birth are less feminine that women who do?

The thing is, we often "overthrow human knowledge", which is why it's laughable when people think things can only ever be as we've experienced them so far.

Remember how women gathering after Sarah Everard murder were treated by the police? Because they were breaking lockdown rules apparently. While BLM Marc goers were rioting and looting shops during the same lockdown period. The lefties were all for defending the rioters, but women? Nah.

The thing is, we often "overthrow human knowledge", which is why it's laughable when people think things can only ever be as we've experienced them so far.

When we have compelling evidence/reason to do so. Not for shits and giggles.

What’s that got to do with anything? The point is that being a woman is not a choice. It’s is not rooted in wearing dresses or prancing around being all dainty. It is a biological fact.

I've never read such bollocks as this thread. I'd laugh but you all seem so serious. Is this how people really think? It explains a lot.

Just because a woman is infertile or chooses not to have children doesn’t put her on a par with a man self-identifying as a woman.

But someone who can and does give birth can only be a woman and should not be forced to be described as anything else.

Oh look the intellectual heavy weight has arrived.

Who is 'forcing (women) to be described as something else'? The only people I see doing that are gender criticals who won't listen to trans men and non binary people and insist that they are women when they are not.

This isn't partisan politics the hypocrisy is everywhere. No one thinks politics is the barrometer of fairness.

My point is that there's always been a tendency that the Left has to adhere to a much stricter level of personal political "cleanliness" than the Right does. "Left wing" people are excoriated for, for example, sending their children to private school or drinking champagne or going on holiday in Tuscany (and other such tropes).

I don’t think this has always been the case. The Conservatives used to be pretty tied to the idea of “family values” and traditional morality, which is why is was considered scandalous and resignation-worthy when Tory MPs were caught having affairs during my childhood. This perceived hypocrisy played a part in their downfall in 1997.

The advantage that the Tories have now is that they’ve abandoned any pretence at values beyond economics. Basically their “values” consist of “acquire as much money as you can and spend it how you like”; you can’t be a hypocrite if you don’t stand for anything beyond that. Even policies on immigration are based on whether the immigrants will be a financial drain or not. I don’t believe they honestly care about gender ideology either; they’re just exploiting a gap in the market.

Meanwhile the left are still tied to the idea of trying to benefit society beyond economics, which is much harder to do without personal compromise.

I think I understand what you’re saying.

If you’re someone who doesn’t try to do more than necessary or perceived as trying to be better than others, in other words, don’t change, you’re given some leeway but if you’re someone who’s trying to be or do better, it tends to upset others and they are more likely to point out your failures and deem you a hypocrite if you make a misstep?

Why did you describe giving birth/uterus having as being 'the most feminine of feminine traits'?

And you know this because you have spoken with every left leaning person in the UK, isn't that right? There's so very little nuanced thinking on this thread; it's all zero sum, black/white. Life is infinitely more complicated than that, as are people. Throwing around the term 'leftie' to apply to everyone who disagrees with you doesn't help anything.

Do you think that women who don't give birth are less feminine that women who do?

This is a silly argument and no one is suggesting this. I don't plan on having kids but I feel a strong connection to the fact that what makes me female is being a member of the class of humans who gestate, birth and nurse other humans. I experience female puberty, hormones, menstruation and will go through the menopause. These things are not superficial like what you wear or how you cut your hair, they deeply influence who I am as a person. We ignore this at our peril.

Because men can’t…oh never mind.

I have experienced by and large that "left wingers" tend to be a bunch of fascist, bigoted, misogynistic, homophobic hypocrites. They hate anyone who won't accept their views, decry anyone who believes differently to them, hate that lesbians won't let trans-identifying males give them their holy penis, hate anyone who might have money/good job...the list goes on. And god forbid anyone dare not agree with absolutely everything they say and think.

I don't have the same feelings that you do. I don't feel any connection to my so called 'sex class'. Does that make me any less of a woman than you? I am also a cis woman, but I don't feel any particular connection to other cis women because we all have uterui. I also disagree that clothing is 'superficial', for me it is fundamental.

cis is an offensive label to use for a woman, and is often used explicitly as a slur word label by a certain community/their allies. It's woman. Female. Not "cis". Jesus.

i remember (Thatcher years IIRC, and a bit before) when conservative MPs loved families so much many of them had more than one.

Old school conservatives and old school labour/socialists all have the same goal: enriching the country/society and improving the lot of the people who live there. The actual goal isn't exactly the same, and nor is the path to get there, but in essence that is what they wanted.

Now Conservative means "enrich myself, my family and my mates as quickly as possible and devil take the hindmost". Labour wants to be conservative but has to accommodate the batshit extreme elements.

Neither party offers a political home to the vast majority of the population who would - in any case - have to choose a party that they don't align with 100%. And that is the problem with modern politics. Extreme positions rule the roost.

Yeah, and some women can't or don't want to.

Sex in humans is binary. It is determined by the x and y chromosomes which moderate hormone production and responses to those hormones. The existence of differences in chromosomes (XO, XXY, XYY etc), mutations in hormone receptors and differences in sexual development don't change that.
Intermediate and 3rd sexes don't work in evolutionary terms which is why they don't exist.

It is not a slur. I would rather be referred to as a cis woman than as a 'female'. That is offensive to me. Why are the people who dislike being called cis valid, but women who don't want to be reduced to our biology not?