To think there's too much left wing dissonance

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Feminist but support women hating philosophies and cultures
LGBT friendly except for the L part
Want to make minorities feel safe except for the Jewish community
Believe in the NHS but go private when needed
Think we should continue atoning for colonialism but mention Germany and WW2 and its like....move on already
Hate unearned privilege but it's handy I'll be left a property
Applaud multiculturalism but seek out monoculturalism in my holidays
Avoid palm oil as it kills trees but I must have a Christmas tree
Eat vegan because factory farming is disgusting....except the stuff that goes into my rescue cat food
Believe women shouldn't kneel to the standards and demands of the patriarchy, but I still remove my body hair, its my choice after all

No, it is untrue 🤦‍♂️
https://www.science.org/content/article/knowing-when-change-sex

What a strange thing for you to say 🤣 saying "biological sex is immutable in nature" is factually incorrect. No idea why you would think that facts are scraping the barrel. You seem desperate to read a subtext that doesn't exist 🤣

What a strange thing for you to say 🤣 saying "biological sex is immutable in nature" is factually incorrect. No idea why you would think that facts are scraping the barrel. You seem desperate to read a subtext that doesn't exist 🤣

I think the scraping the barrel bit is referencing fish as evidence of sex changing, when mammals can’t.

So are you just ignoring the fact that HUMAN sec is immutable? Totally irrelevant that other creatures iN nAtuRe can change sex. And yes a desperate attempt to prove a point

No. Such as “Humans cannot change sex”. YOU seem to have a problem with that fact though”

Using the term “sex is not immutable in nature” to prove a point that ‘transwomen are women’ is like saying “In nature creatures can use their body parts to move objects” to prove the point that “A fish can ride a bicycle”.

I don’t understand how “leaving the left” is possible. Surely you’d have to change your entire belief system? Are you saying that you’ve made a conscious decision to change everything you believe it? Because I’d love to know how that’s possible and how it’s going.

I think people just mean they’re ripping down their colour that they previously nailed to a mast. Unless you forgo a party membership, leaving the left/right is an abstract concept

I guess the left wing approach to puppies should be that they are distributed by the state to those most in need of a puppy?
With central planning by the government for economy for the number of puppies to be bred each year and quotas for different breeds?

There are loads of "beliefs" mentioned here that it is interesting to see categorised as left or right wing.
There is no reason you couldn't have a really right wing vegan, for example. Nothing about being vegan means you have to believe in redistribution of wealth (whether very limited or more extensive), state intervention in the economy, state provision of key services like health and education and an opposition to the idea that the wealth and position of your parents should dictate your own life chances.

Animal rights is not inherently left wing. Nor is environmentalism - preserving nature could easily be a conservative viewpoint, eg an objection to change and desire to conserve the past while the left wing viewpoint could easily nbe that improving the standard of living for humans is more important than animals.

There is a small subset of vegans who hold very anti-immigrant/quite racist views due to their objection to halal slaughter of animals for example. If we consider anti-immigrant views right wing (although you could make a right wing argument that business benefits from cheap labour with no rights and benefiting private business is a key goal ) and being a vegan left wing, then that makes them very centrist, I suppose.

Is that new for whataboutery? Balancing discussion?

There is a small subset of vegans who hold very anti-immigrant/quite racist views due to their objection to halal slaughter of animals for example

I was agreeing with all of your post until you labelled me anti immigrant/quite racist because I object very strongly to ALL forms of ritual slaughter on CRUELTY grounds. I am a long time animal rights campaigner and am sick of this lazy characterisation.
I am anti FGM as well (also considered an outdated 'cultural' practice) - does this make me 'quite racist' too?

Sorry but your post is ridiculous.
Rescuing dogs is not the preserve of the Left and neither is running your own business or re-using the same Christmas tree every year.

This is an excellent question.
Did you use to believe in redistribution of wealth and now don't?
Did you used to believe the state should provide health and education services to all and that your parents status and wealth should not dictate your own.and now don't?
Did you used to believe in taxation levels rising with wealth and now don't?
Did you previously believe that employees should receive at least a government mandated minimum wage and minimum levels of holiday plus there should be rigorous regulation and inspection of workplaces to ensure employee safety but now don't?

Those are all a lot more key left wing beliefs than

Or is what you mean is that one narrow issue (the gender identity act) now dominates my view to the extent that I will now vote for whichever party I perceive to be most against it regardless of their other policies on tax, health, education, etc where my views differ significant from the party?

I think some attitudes eg in support of high immigration could be reversed. It could be considered a right wing view to support high immigration as it disrupts the ecosystem that mainly the poor rely on.
Similarly Leave could have been a fundamentally left wing view as it could have been approached as a desire to return to a kind of protective local attitude.
I'm not sure the left vs right poles are relevant anymore in the modern world actually

Everyone’s a socialist. Until they can’t buy an iPhone. Other smartphones are available.

Always wondered why socialists and lefties are most vocal in free countries with free market economies. But they don’t show the same love for left wing politics in countries run by the actual left wing regimes.

Half of Cuba has raced into Florida. Venezuelans would give their right arm to get to Arizona. North Koreans die to get into South Korea. You don’t see much traffic going the other way. Wonder why?

Cue the ‘socialism has never been tried properly’, ‘but these are not true socialist/communist countries’ cries, and other such woeful excuse making to distance their own left wing views from the reality of what leftie utopia looks like.

Lefties in western countries are basically hobbyists. Entitled, attention seekers who just want to look like they are oh so enlightened and virtuous. Or they still feel like activist sixth formers. In both cases, they end up looking silly. Imagine a squid game type (less fatal) experiment where you tested these people under the conditions that so vehemently champion. That would be reality tv gold.

This sounds more fixed than the electorate shows. Many don’t always vote for one party hence landslide wins for both parties in last few decades

No I did not - I did not say that ALL vegans (or non vegans) who object to halal are racist or anti-immigrant. I said there was a small subset who - driven initially by their anti-halal beliefs - have become very anti-immigrant and racist.

You could be supportive of having a more humane approach to dealing with people seeking asylum in the UK (eg not sending them to Rwanda or making them live on a quid a day in some grim hostel in the UK) AND also oppose halal slaughter. Welcome to the UK but you can't slaughter animals in this way, for example.

But the small subset of vegans I am referring to are just straight up anti-Muslim and think they should all the boats should be sunk etc.

There is too much dissonance because people are trying to be either or. If you 'don't fit' SM will crucify you.

Obama said "the world is messy" when he addressed wokeism. He hit the nail on the head.

Any immigration, anti-Muslim vegans? Yeah, that well known demographic.

Your implication that was that these people are racist BECAUSE they oppose ritual slaughter. Which is a lazy point to make.

But the small subset of vegans I am referring to are just straight up anti-Muslim and think they should all the boats should be sunk etc.

Another lazy and stupid point. Think harder.

But that is also because parties change their policies/messaging at different elections?

Eg Cameron was all about hugging a hoody or a husky, my children go to state school so I believe in funding public services etc when he first stood for election. He moved the messaging/branding of the party to imply it was more centrist in terms of economic and social issues than it had previously been under IDS, Hague etc etc.

Same also for Blair but other direction.

People change their beliefs but I think very slowly in terms of key principles. People keep the same beliefs but weight them differently in terms of importance and that can be quite fast.- if a party can make a cultural issue (abortion in the US) a touchstone issue then people will vote against their economic interests. The Republicans have been super successful at that in the US with the poor in Alabama with terrible access to health care voting against getting more health care but getting a lot of noise/laws on abortion .

Oh please 🙄🤣

My rights mean a lot to me. I’m a member of the generation of women who fought for most of them. My rights are not threatened by the 0.05% of the population who choose to live their lives as a member of the sex opposite to their natal sex. On the other hand, I’ve watched workers’ rights, the right to protest and the right to free speech eroded in front of my eyes in the last 13 years. Not to mention the right to decent healthcare and education.

👏👏👏

So are you just ignoring the fact that HUMAN sec is immutable? Totally irrelevant that other creatures iN nAtuRe can change sex. And yes a desperate attempt to prove a point

Not ignoring it 🤦‍♂️ if the statement had been "biological sex is immutable in humans" then there's no contention. It wasn't that, though, so pointing out it is not, in fact, immutable in nature is not irrelevant. In your desperation to prove a point I wasn't making, or ignoring, you've forgotten that words have meanings 🤣

Im sorry that your rights means so little to you 😂😂😂

We've gone full on patronising as an argument.

Brilliant 😂

My rights as a woman mean A LOT to me. They've meant A LOT to me the past 13 years where the Tory's has presided over transwoman being allowed in female prisons, hospital wards and to run refuges and be in charge of charities for womans BIOLOGICAL health.

I have watch sports bodies make gender competition rules because people have felt empowered by the governments lack of leadership to cheat sports and apparently change sex to compete as a woman.

NO government has excelled at this. Neither one will stand up and do the right thing.

At least whilst they aren't Labour will ensure we have public services to make our lives easier and an education system to educate our girls and young woman. A health system where our girls and young woman can be treated.