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To think there's too much left wing dissonance

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LefthandRight · 31/12/2023 00:19

Feminist but support women hating philosophies and cultures
LGBT friendly except for the L part
Want to make minorities feel safe except for the Jewish community
Believe in the NHS but go private when needed
Think we should continue atoning for colonialism but mention Germany and WW2 and its like....move on already
Hate unearned privilege but it's handy I'll be left a property
Applaud multiculturalism but seek out monoculturalism in my holidays
Avoid palm oil as it kills trees but I must have a Christmas tree
Eat vegan because factory farming is disgusting....except the stuff that goes into my rescue cat food
Believe women shouldn't kneel to the standards and demands of the patriarchy, but I still remove my body hair, its my choice after all

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KarenNotAKaren · 01/01/2024 00:19

DdraigGoch · 01/01/2024 00:18

The news on that gets more grim every day. The stories are sickening, as is the denial.

Yep.

But hey they deserve it with being Israeli right. That’s apparently the thinking.

VanityDiesHard · 01/01/2024 00:27

KarenNotAKaren · 01/01/2024 00:18

You said, albeit in a round about word salad way, that you feel you can’t say a word against Israel because you’ll just be shouted at for being anti-Semitic by Jewish people.

Which is laughable really seeing as how many people are openly Anti-Israel.

Being anti-Israel is a badge of honour with some people. I did a massive facebook and instagram cull. I won't even support people who say Free Palestine, even though I do feel for the people of Gaza.

TheCheerfulNihilist · 01/01/2024 00:35

"Queers for Palestine" I mean, for fucks sake. Peak fuckwittery right there.

KarenNotAKaren · 01/01/2024 00:38

See I am fine with people who wish to support the Free Palestine movement, but not those who use it as an opportunity to steep it in anti-Jewish hate. Which sadly is many people.

And I am fucking sick of getting sneered and gaslighted for calling out racism against Jewish people.

What a lot of people might not know is that a year before Adolf Hitler joined the Nazi party there was something of a Holocaust happening in what is now Ukraine. Between 1918 and 1922 100,00 Jewish people were tortured, raped and murdered. Jews were blamed for the turmoil of the Russian Revolution and the ‘progroms’ encouraged them to be exterminated. In the run up to the 30’s, many, many people - including non-Jews - spoke up and warned the world that something big was coming. It was even predicted in the mid-20’s - accurately - that a larger scale version of these progroms would result in six million Jewish deaths. Those people were ignored and laughed at, and many denied it even happened.

The reason I mention the progroms on this thread, and why I believe it is relevant now, is because history repeats itself…perhaps not in the exact identical circumstances of large-scale warfare, but the way the abuse of a whole race of people is being ignored, justified and even supported, and that anyone speaking is told to STFU or told it isn’t even happening. It is a very, very scary time to be Jewish and I swear if I get told once more that our fear is our own fault because Jewish people may or may not have certain political persuasions, I will explode.

DewHopper · 01/01/2024 00:41

elgreco · 31/12/2023 22:50

I think the "queers for Palestine " banner is a perfect example of leftist/liberal dissonance.

It is illegal to be gay in Palestine.

Yes - bloody ludicrous.

DewHopper · 01/01/2024 00:43

AwfullyWeeBillyBigchin · 31/12/2023 23:18

The comment was "biological sex is immutable in nature", which is untrue 🤦‍♂️

Oh come on now. Just stop it FGS.

DewHopper · 01/01/2024 00:46

KarenNotAKaren · 31/12/2023 23:34

if people take what you are saying at face value they are going to be very inclined to believe that you can't really separate modern Israel as a nation state from Jewish people as a whole worldwide.

<Sigh>

Please stop blaming Jewish people for other people’s anti-semitism

Do you also tell Muslims that people will be inclined not to separate the actions of Saudi Arabia from Muslim people worldwide? If not why not? Why is that different?

Still waiting on that source that states even uttering the word ‘Israel’ is anti-Semitic.

Basically, people are now in the position of potentially having to say, any action required to ensure the continued existence of Israel needs to be supported or it is antisemitic.

And there we have it. A roundabout was of saying “don’t call me anti-Semitic, I just don’t agree with one country’s action and in fact YOU’RE oppressing ME by claiming i am anti-Semitic”.

Not much different from what Islamophobes do really. But then again too many people think anti-semitism isn’t racism.

The stereotyped notion that Jewish people ‘play the victim’ is anti-Semitic, BTW. That very notion was used in propaganda in the 1930’s to ensure people despised their Jewish neighbours. People weaponise Israel as their trump card for ‘don’t call me anti-Semitic, it’s YOUR people doing bad things’ as a means to say whatever the hell they want.

It’s fine to not support the Israeli government’s actions, and it is not anti-Semitic in itself - but to, as you have done, persist in arguing why it might tar all Jewish people with the same brush, is anti-semitic. It’s racism. Except no one gives a flying fuck.

Excellent post.

TheCheerfulNihilist · 01/01/2024 00:52

Though actually given that "Queer" now appears to mean: "boring straight person, desperate for attention" it isn't that surprising. Still dumb as bricks though.

KarenNotAKaren · 01/01/2024 00:54

TheCheerfulNihilist · 01/01/2024 00:52

Though actually given that "Queer" now appears to mean: "boring straight person, desperate for attention" it isn't that surprising. Still dumb as bricks though.

Ricky Gervais does a very funny skit on ‘queer’ people being ‘mostly straight white men who want attention’ in his latest show!

RainbowFlutter · 01/01/2024 01:01

Frankly, at least the lefties are trying. Trying to be kind, trying to think of society etc. Rather than the unashamedly self centred, increasingly unkind right wingers. Bloody hell, I don't know how they sleep at night.

DewHopper · 01/01/2024 01:04

The trouble is that 'be kind' only goes one way with these types. If you don't do what they want you to do or believe in what they want you to be believe the mask slips big time and out come the rape and death threats. Just ask JK Rowling...

KarenNotAKaren · 01/01/2024 01:08

RainbowFlutter · 01/01/2024 01:01

Frankly, at least the lefties are trying. Trying to be kind, trying to think of society etc. Rather than the unashamedly self centred, increasingly unkind right wingers. Bloody hell, I don't know how they sleep at night.

Personally I don’t find Owen Jones’s denial of what’s happening to Jewish women in Israel very kind. Or the erosion of women’s rights through the medium of gaslighting and science denying. But that’s just me.

KarenNotAKaren · 01/01/2024 01:09

DewHopper · 01/01/2024 01:04

The trouble is that 'be kind' only goes one way with these types. If you don't do what they want you to do or believe in what they want you to be believe the mask slips big time and out come the rape and death threats. Just ask JK Rowling...

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“Sure, I’ll be kind - as long as every single one of your beliefs is identical to mine. If it’s not I will endeavour to get you cancelled.”

TheCheerfulNihilist · 01/01/2024 01:10

RainbowFlutter · 01/01/2024 01:01

Frankly, at least the lefties are trying. Trying to be kind, trying to think of society etc. Rather than the unashamedly self centred, increasingly unkind right wingers. Bloody hell, I don't know how they sleep at night.

Depends on what you mean by "kind". Kind to men. Sure.

But ready and willing to throw women under the bus. All women, regardless of race, religion, or age. Women can fuck off, be raped, serve, and die obviously.

The Left put some pretendy words around the above, much of the right don't bother. That is the only difference between the two.

DewHopper · 01/01/2024 01:16

KarenNotAKaren · 01/01/2024 01:08

Personally I don’t find Owen Jones’s denial of what’s happening to Jewish women in Israel very kind. Or the erosion of women’s rights through the medium of gaslighting and science denying. But that’s just me.

Little OJ, poster boy of the woman hating crew. He is an absolute disgrace and his response to the October 7 atrocities was just sickening.

RainbowFlutter · 01/01/2024 01:26

Depends on what you mean by "kind". Kind to men. Sure.

But ready and willing to throw women under the bus. All women, regardless of race, religion, or age. Women can fuck off, be raped, serve, and die obviously.

The Left put some pretendy words around the above, much of the right don't bother. That is the only difference between the two.

Sorry, I disagree with every word of this. Utter crap.

Tinsletoez · 01/01/2024 01:26

Yep, I’m left wing and follow through I believe in significant life choices, particularly in way my partner and I chose to have a family for example. I will always without fail rescue animals rather than buy, have never bought a disposable Xmas tree, use the same one from the garden ever year. Have worked in community venture in various fields to make things better etc. I’m left leaning but have been sneered at by so called socialists for being ‘centre left’, whom I then find out have several rental properties, buy puppies, have their own business etc. whilst each to their own the hypocrisy sometimes is staggering. You’re hardly Che Guevara if you’re making thousands from rental income for example! And it’s easy to be left if you’re well off as you’ll never have to generally struggle to get by. Lots of posturing and very little action in terms of making genuine change.

KarenNotAKaren · 01/01/2024 01:31

DewHopper · 01/01/2024 01:16

Little OJ, poster boy of the woman hating crew. He is an absolute disgrace and his response to the October 7 atrocities was just sickening.

Agreed, he is a nasty little woman hating prick.

KarenNotAKaren · 01/01/2024 01:33

RainbowFlutter · 01/01/2024 01:26

Depends on what you mean by "kind". Kind to men. Sure.

But ready and willing to throw women under the bus. All women, regardless of race, religion, or age. Women can fuck off, be raped, serve, and die obviously.

The Left put some pretendy words around the above, much of the right don't bother. That is the only difference between the two.

Sorry, I disagree with every word of this. Utter crap.

Wait what? You think ALLL lefties are kind? What about Owen Jones? Who thinks Hamas raping Jewish women are just freedom fighters? Or who thinks lesbians should accept penises into their bed (but it’s homophobic to ask him if he would give a trans man cunnilingus)?

KarenNotAKaren · 01/01/2024 01:34

Since when was buying puppies a right wing move?!

TheCheerfulNihilist · 01/01/2024 01:36

RainbowFlutter · 01/01/2024 01:26

Depends on what you mean by "kind". Kind to men. Sure.

But ready and willing to throw women under the bus. All women, regardless of race, religion, or age. Women can fuck off, be raped, serve, and die obviously.

The Left put some pretendy words around the above, much of the right don't bother. That is the only difference between the two.

Sorry, I disagree with every word of this. Utter crap.

Disagree away.

Doesn't make the Left any less woman hating. I have eyes, I have ears, I can see and hear how I and every woman I know am treated by both sides.

The Left just wants to believe it is "the good side". It is EXACTLY THE SAME as the Right. It just has different window dressing.

Valeriekat · 01/01/2024 05:25

MojoMoon · 31/12/2023 00:42

NEWSFLASH: people are quite complex and sometimes hold a range of beliefs that can't be neatly categorised into one group

What about right wing dissonance?
Love Britain and democracy but accept fully paid trips to Moscow from Russian spies (Matthew Elliott, or rather Lord Elliott after Liz Truss' resignation dishonour list.)
Love Britain and democracy but accept large donations from the wife of former Putin Minister (Vladimir Chernukhin) and in total accept 1.93million from. Russian linked individuals
Love free speech but spend millions vindictively pursuing a journalist (Arron Banks)
Believe in "law and order" but be reluctant to remove whip from MPs that have groped people (Chris Pincher and Boris Johnson)
Believe in " traditional British fair play" but avoid paying taxes (Nadim Zahawi)

Ahhhh whataboutery!

TERFisTHEnewTREND · 01/01/2024 06:05

I sadly am no longer left wing due to their misogyny.

As many say though: I didn't leave the left; the left left me.

Mercurial123 · 01/01/2024 06:06

Valeriekat · 01/01/2024 05:25

Ahhhh whataboutery!

Not really. You need balance in a discussion, or maybe you don't?

AwfullyWeeBillyBigchin · 01/01/2024 07:43

DewHopper · 01/01/2024 00:43

Oh come on now. Just stop it FGS.

Why? Do you have a problem with facts? 🤔