To think there's too much left wing dissonance

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Feminist but support women hating philosophies and cultures
LGBT friendly except for the L part
Want to make minorities feel safe except for the Jewish community
Believe in the NHS but go private when needed
Think we should continue atoning for colonialism but mention Germany and WW2 and its like....move on already
Hate unearned privilege but it's handy I'll be left a property
Applaud multiculturalism but seek out monoculturalism in my holidays
Avoid palm oil as it kills trees but I must have a Christmas tree
Eat vegan because factory farming is disgusting....except the stuff that goes into my rescue cat food
Believe women shouldn't kneel to the standards and demands of the patriarchy, but I still remove my body hair, its my choice after all

Yes but at least the Tories are rowing back on this horror show, Labour? Not so much. I have been watching this unfold since the days of Madigan being wooed by Corbyn and his cronies and not much has changed from the Left it seems.

Is there a chance they were winding you up on purpose?

I've never heard someone say that. I suppose the argument is that "we" should acknowledge the injustice of colonialism because we benefit from it even today. But it sounds like they were taking it further than that, and annoyingly so... I'd also find what they said to be OTT/tosh. But you sound so anti-left-wing that they might find it funny to provoke you...?

Fair enough but you did not then go on to say that it was dismissed did you? Just setting the record straight in case anyone thinks that this is Tory policy when it is absolutely not.

Yes but at least the Tories are rowing back on this horror show,

Good for them having produced it in the first place. Mordaunt and several other Tory women MPs take exactly the same stance as Nandy. And Mordaunt came a gnat’s whisker away from being PM, she’s still very popular with the grassroots - the 100,000 who’ll choose their next leader.

https://debbiehayton.com/category/transgender/labour-party/

Some interesting stuff on Labour and trans here.

I am not so sure this works in practice. Here in Canada there is usually little or no private provision, and out healthcare system is as fucked up as the NHS. In quite similar ways, which is interesting.

I am hoping that KB will be more popular but yes if Mordaunt was to get the leadership I would be very worried.

I freely admit I'm one of those leftwing monoculture holiday makers. I'm poor so the only holidays me and my family get on have been at my sister's caravan, 30 miles from where we live.

It's so monocultural that I often bump into neighbours and school parents when I'm there.

But at least the Tories are rowing back from this horror show

I've been hearing that line for years. It's up there with "at least the Tories know what a woman is". They talk out of both faces and they are responsible for the trans shitshow.

https://debbiehayton.com/2021/03/17/why-does-penny-mordaunt-think-trans-men-are-men/

This is our government.

And quite possibly the party’s next leader. The Tory I live with is desperate for her to lead his party and was gutted he didn’t get the chance to vote for her in the final two. The membership is predominantly middle aged/elderly men who think she’s Thatcher and Boadicea combined.

No I don't think they are responsible for it taking hold - I think that a lot of organisations got 'ahead' of the law encouraged by loons like Stonewall and an organised infiltration by (mostly) men who wanted to push the queer agenda.

Organisations such as the College of Policing, the NHS, universities have all swung behind this misogyny and homophobia and are not listening when told to stop.

I agree that the current government have not done enough to stop it and protect women and girls but under Labour it will be allowed (encouraged even) to flourish and our rights will disappear.

Women are a sex class in our own right and this does not include men, however they identify and the only Labour politician who dares to says this is Rosie Duffield and she is ostracised by her party (including Starmer) and sent death/rape threats daily by left wing men.

Humans are multi-faceted, the left is not one organism. I can agree with a person about some of their views but not others. This is perfectly normal. What is your point?

I’d like to deal with captured institutions. The hold they have via the law and the GRA makes it harder for women - and children

They are also unaccountable to the public unlike a voting system

At some point voter pressure will change it all, likely coming from the US though

Yes she is an idiot.

On the other hand the Tories also have Kemi Badenoch who is clear and precise on this nonsense and has made some excellent speeches.

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/kemi-badenoch-brings-sense-to-the-sex-and-gender-debate/

The membership will never elect Badenoch in a million years.

Kemi stands out on this issue

Gender ideology will take hold even more if Labour get in, they’ll align with captured institutions and TRA media

You are failing to look at it developmentally.

You have people whose systems are oriented biologically to produce eggs, and people's who are oriented to produce sperm. And then a few of these of these who have had some kind of developmental interruption, which in most cases means they can't reproduce at all.

"Intersex" people, - though that is not a proper term nor one people with DSDs like - still, like the rest of us, are oriented one way or the other. The fact that there was a developmental issue does not mean they are neither male nor female, any more than a man having an accident where his penis is destroyed means he is not a man. Or for that matter, that a fetus born without legs in on some kind of "limbed spectrum."

@Mummyford

But I would definitely put myself in the category of someone who holds dissonant views. I'm very politically liberal, but we're very financially secure and securely housed, but on the other hand, I left a very high paying job in the legal sector and now work for a non-profit and donate my salary back. We use private medical care but on the other hand, had ourselves taken off of non-dom status before we needed to (unlike Rishi Sunak's wife) because we believe in funding society through paying tax. Send our kids to private school but will vote labour regardless of the VAT issue. We do fly back to the US several times a year to see family but drive and electric car and try not to take any other air travel holidays. I do try to avoid palm oil due to the habitat destruction but we do have a Christmas tree (I've done some research and am not convinced it's worse than an artificial tree), etc. etc.

Good satire, this has cracked me up 😂

You are wrong on this - she is very popular.

Not with pale, stale males, she isn’t. And they’re the ones who choose.

You’ve summed it up well. It’s the GRA that provides the legal basis for men to challenge more each year. Plus if anyone looks outside the U.K. to other western democracies they’ll see similar over the last few decades

A few politicians are trying to undo this but invested TRAs and institutions will fight hard. The U.K. could lead on turning the tide but it won’t after the next GE if Labour win. Some are keen for that loss of women’s sex based rights unfortunately.

@DewHopper, those loons from Stonewall you mention were given multiple contracts by the Tory government to go into our schools, NHS etc. The same Tory government that drew up the guidance for trans prisoners in 2014 that locked rapists up with women. The same Tory government that wrote genderwoo bollocks into a Maternity Bill. The same Tory government who repeatedly appointed TWAW believers to Head of Education. The same Tory government that introduced Self ID in the first place.

I don't think you'll find it surprising that the head of Stonewall was a Tory party donor when the Tory party were championing them and filling their coffers. Stonewall's grip has now loosened thanks to Stephen Nolan and the BBC. Not the Tory party.

Yep. And given PM Sunak will be gone after the GE, it is scary to think she could be leader within a year.

She is very popular among party members.