To think there's too much left wing dissonance

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Feminist but support women hating philosophies and cultures
LGBT friendly except for the L part
Want to make minorities feel safe except for the Jewish community
Believe in the NHS but go private when needed
Think we should continue atoning for colonialism but mention Germany and WW2 and its like....move on already
Hate unearned privilege but it's handy I'll be left a property
Applaud multiculturalism but seek out monoculturalism in my holidays
Avoid palm oil as it kills trees but I must have a Christmas tree
Eat vegan because factory farming is disgusting....except the stuff that goes into my rescue cat food
Believe women shouldn't kneel to the standards and demands of the patriarchy, but I still remove my body hair, its my choice after all

It doesn't matter what sex they are. They were assigned male at birth but are trans gender.

It doesn't matter what sex they are.

There will always be a need for a term that distinguishes approx 50% of the population whose bodies are set up to produce small gametes. And it matters to people who value biological reality over bizarre ideologies.

What does trans gender mean?

trans gender

And what do you understand by that term?

Just read that back. On what planet does it not matter what sex they are.

And no one is assigned anything. Babies don’t pop out of the mother, and then the midwife picks a gender out of a hat. Whether a human is a male or female is determined at the time of egg fertilisation.

Did you not learn about human reproduction at school? There is still time, you can look it up.

Very easily.
Y chromosome present: male
Y chromosome absent: female
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Arguing that sex is not binary because a very small number of mammals are born with genetic abnormalities is like claiming that humans are not bipedal because a very small number are born with a missing leg. And equally idiotic.

As I said, it's more complicated than that, as that doesn't account for XX male syndrome. Yes, these are rare abnormalities, but they exist all the same.

my very left wing friend has just returned from her fifth long haul holiday of the year. She's always banging on about environmental stuff. She also drives a huge thirsty Landrover. I rarely fly (went a decade without flying) and drive electric.
I know several vociferous hard lefties who have been very clearly antisemitic in the past and jumped on the October 7th terrorist massacre as another excuse to pile on. Usually by attending pro palestine marches.
(they don't care about palestine, just hate Jews)

I agree that, say, disagreeing with self-ID makes a person or a party feminist.

Take e.g. prisons. To protect women, how about tackle factors that increase the chances of someone going to prison (drug use, domestic abuse, homelessness etc)? And improve safety in prisons generally? Rethink sentencing so that it's actually evidence-based and aimed at rehabilitation?

Lots of gender critical people have feminist views of course. Before people pop up to say they care about sex based rights AND other feminist issues. I just think the media and general population spend a disproportionate time hand-wringing about trans women in women's prisons.

No this was not introduced thankfully (despite Corbyn pushing so hard for it to happen at the time).
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/22/uk-government-drops-gender-self-identification-plan-for-trans-people

Take e.g. prisons. To protect women, how about tackle factors that increase the chances of someone going to prison (drug use, domestic abuse, homelessness etc)? And improve safety in prisons generally? Rethink sentencing so that it's actually evidence-based and aimed at rehabilitation?

Or how about not locking known rapists up in the female estate?

This puts me in mind of that quote (attributed to Churchill but apparently he never said it) about having no heart if you’re not a socialist at 20 and having no brain if you’re not a conservative at 40…

What are they then? Do you think that they have actually changed sex?

@seren974 "my very left wing friend has just returned from her fifth long haul holiday of the year. She's always banging on about environmental stuff. She also drives a huge thirsty Landrover."

Yeah. Course she has.

@Mummyford you sound like you are confident in your choices and have thought it through. It’s the people who preach and make you feel bad for not towing what they think is the correct line. You also seem to be aware that it’s not so easy for everyone and not judge. Sadly I find my most left wing friends the most puritanical and unforgiving. It’s really depressing.

Well I do agree that people likely to commit sexual assault should not be given opportunities to do so.

I hope we'd agree on more than we disagree on if we ever met.

I guess my wider point is that you can't just identify one opinion from an individual (say transgender rights) and then extrapolate out what they think about everything else

Thanks for the link. This is an extract from it:

Proposals developed under Theresa May’s government to allow people to “self-identify” as their chosen gender – by signing a statutory declaration without having to provide evidence of a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria – are not part of the government’s response.

You do know Theresa May’s a Tory?

believe it or don't. No odds to me. She puts all her trip photos on facebook and there have been about 5 long hauls this year. And short hauls plus mini breaks.
You only have to follow the "where are you going on holiday" threads on mumsnet to see that many people take multiple overseas trips per year.

I could not have a lower opinion of left-wing people. I find them utterly repellent: smug, arrogant, sanctimonious, hectoring, simple-minded and unbelievably intolerant. They remind me of religious fundamentalists. You know, the utter certainty that they are right, the need to convert others, the fury that not everyone agrees, etc. They reduce everything to black and white. Either you want mass immigration and an end to national identity or you are a Nazi and a bigot. I have plenty of leftish views (I'm a feminist, a vegan, militantly anti-royal, etc), but even when I agree with left-wing activists I can't bear them.

Ever noticed how you are allowed a national identity when it comes to the bad stuff (i.e I have to hang my head in shame over the Irish famine and African slavery), but when it comes to the good things about Britain (Shakespeare, Isaac Newton, Darwin, the discovery of DNA) then national identity is a load of nonsense? I've sat in a pub and watched a smug leftie flip from one the other without the slightest problem. One minute they're saying "we should be ashamed of colonialism," or "after what we did in Ireland it's no wonder they hate us." When someone replies "well, it's our literature that makes me most proud to be British" that same leftie will shoot them down: "what do you mean our literature? We didn't write it. I think national identity is absurd." What they really mean is that national identity is OK only when you're ashamed of it.

My they referred to men, plural. It was not a pronoun thing. Lisa Nandy has her views, but it was the Tory government who actually locked these scumbags up with their victims. They are responsible. Not Lisa Nandy.

Both big political parties are pushing back against trans ideology. Both big political parties have their TRAs and those who oppose them.

Only one political party formed the government that brought the trans shitshow on our heads and that's the Tory party. It's one of the many ways they've fucked over British women for the past 13 years.

and I'd put money on them being the same kind of people who post on mumsnet environment threads banging the drum about reusable straws to save the turtles etc

Ah yes. This is an interesting phenomena.

It's not just about supporting multiculturalism, it's about a kind of person who thinks, for example, that it is so terrible that the British countryside lacks "diversity". Or seems to find the historical local/national culture of their own country somehow lacking because it is too white and western.

But they would never be upset to find the countryside villages of Japan, or Chad, or other places are lacking in racial and cultural diversity - in fact they tend to admire their cultural authenticity. And they may well go on vacations looking for those kinds of places.

I could not have a lower opinion of left-wing people. I find them utterly repellent: smug, arrogant, sanctimonious, hectoring, simple-minded and unbelievably intolerant.

You find them intolerant? 🤔🤣

Do you understand that a proposal it not a law? t was scrapped and was not introduced so you were wrong in your original post. That was what I was pointing out.

My previous post has a big typo - apologies. Meant to say, "say, disagreeing with self-ID does not make a person or a party feminist"

I.e. you will have varying views among gender critical people. Some will be feminist, some won't.

I said It was Theresa May’s government that introduced the Self ID bill in 2017. Your own link supports that. I said “introduced”, not “passed”. I’m correct.