Trans women do not have periods.

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According to period pants maker Modibodi, transwomen can have 'periods'. Periods which are just as valid apparently.

Whilst I'm not going to suggest I know what hormone treatment tied to a trans woman, I can confidently say that no, they don't have periods. Periods involve blood. Trans women don't bleed.

Modibodi seem to acknowledge that there is no bleeding involved I transwomen's 'periods' but bizarrely under a section on how to manage their periods, trans women should wear period pants. For the life of all God's WHY???! Wtf would wear period pants if they didn't have to?

For fucks sake.

Honestly, this is how this shite is able to flourish in the shadows.

Nobody actually BELIEVES this shite can be possible, ergo, it isn't.

Why don't people actually read both the website and the whole thread before they give us a drive-by finger wagging.

Cos that's no fun!

I think you're right, you know.

A lot of people who say "trans women are women" and "be kind" and "stop reading the Daily Mail" don't know the half of what is actually happening, and because it's too ridiculous to be true (e.g. Modibodi marketing period pants to biological males) they assume that we are just frothing about nothing.

You are doing great work.

I often find that if you post something like this on each page automatically, eventually people will get the point and read it.

@Helleofabore
God forbid I'll get accused of spamming! 😁

Well, we all seem to be arguing about whether or not Modibodi are perpetuating the lie(your words) that that transwomen have periods. We have now come to the conclusion that the feminists will now boycott these products. I am sure Modibodi will not be crying into their reduced profits.

Do you mean they won't be crying like Ben and Jerry's, Bud Light and Target?
That kind of not crying 😭

Are we actually arguing about that?

I think it's pretty clear by now that Modibodi say on their website that trans women have periods, which is a lie.

I think you will struggle to find anyone who really believes that trans women have periods, unless you are co-opting period to mean something else.

I am talking about the societal impact of putting pressure on women to affirm what another group would like to be real, at the expense of having language to protect their own rights.

Sorry you missed the bit in the very long modibodi article on transwomen where modibody advises transwomen on how to manage their periods including buying period pants for their (bloodless) periods…

@Slightlyboredandseverlyconfused

This article

This is from their blog page under the section ‘Tips on navigating your period as a trans woman’

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They are explicitly marketing period underwear to TW.
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Our All Gender period underwear is inclusive by design. Made to be worn and loved by all people who menstruate. Shop the full collection at Modibodi today!
https://www.modibodi.co.uk/collections/all-gender

It can be both/and. Some of it is appropriation of womanhood by a few trans women AND trans women can experience some menstrual symptoms. Doesn’t have to be either/or. My cramps don’t always feel related to my uterus. I get digestive issues too (FFS! Drives me mad).

They aren't menstrual symptoms if they're happening to a trans woman though.

Most likely they are just constipated because progesterone (which has no reason to be in their body) slows your digestive system down to allow for more through extraction of nutrients from your food to nourish a potential baby.

@Slightlyboredandseverlyconfused

Cambridge Dictionary

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verb [ I ] formalUK /ˈmen.stru.eɪt/ US   /ˈmen.stru.eɪt/
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When someone menstruates, blood comes from their uterus (= the organ in which a baby develops before birth) for a few days every month.

menstrual
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connected with the time when someone menstruates (= blood comes from their uterus):

Symptoms trans women experience are a direct result of the hormones they are taking nothing to do with menstruation.

Well yes, but you knew what I meant.

I disagree. In no way do these male people experience anything resembling a period. Tying in symptoms relating to artificial hormone changes to be in anyway like a woman’s natural hormonal changes throughout a cycle and the symptoms of this is like comparing a vagina with a pouch tucked into the pelvis and saying it is similar.

Call it what it is. Those male people experience symptoms driven by their artificial hormonal changes. Nothing to do with a menstrual cycle at all.

It is harmful to let them think their artificial hormone cycle is anything like a menstrual cycle.

I think that it’s important that people are very clear about symptoms and their causes and it’s dangerous, not kind, to do otherwise.

Vaguely writing off symptoms as something unrelated can be fatal.

I still don't know what you mean because it makes no sense to me.
You wrote that "some trans women can experience some menstrual symptoms." This is an impossibility.

And that is the point of language. We cannot use words that already describe something else. The words 'menstrual symptoms' already mean something, Not all biological women get them but ONLY biological women can get them.

We have to use correct language, trans women can have side effects from taking synthetic oestrogen and progesterone and those symptoms are x y z. but they are not menstrual symptoms.

Let's be clear.
Trans women do not experience ANY menstrual symptoms because they do not menstruate.

No ovaries, no uterus, no cervix, no endometrium.
No blood. No clots. No cramping.

Anything they experience is either psychosomatic or digestive issues caused by artificial cross sex hormones.

There is no need for them to be holding a hot water bottle against where they imagine a uterus to be, and their "symptoms" are entirely exaggerated for social media clout/views or they are in fact so far down the rabbit hole that they have actually convinced themselves.

Nowhere in the sphere of medicine is a delusion actively encouraged the way it has been in "trans" affirming care. If an anorexic were to ask for diet pills or fat busting injections, do you think the doctor would say "sure, you're looking a bit porky, here you are"!, or if a paranoid schizophrenic described hearing voices from the TV, do you think they psychiatrist would agree with them that it was in fact real? Should mental health workers agree that their patient is in fact Queen Victoria or Jesus?

It does absolutely no favours to someone to affirm a fundamentally unreal belief.
Agreeing that trans women can have "periods" or "menstrual symptoms" of ANY sort is exactly the same.

Also I suspect TW aren't actually having any kind of monthly hormonal cycle as a result of taking estrogen per se. They are either imagining one, or creating one by deliberately using hormones in a particular pattern.

Otherwise, post-menopausal women on HRT would be experiencing this too, and I've never heard of that and don't think it's a thing.

You get a period and a menstrual cycle because of the cycle of material changes happening to the ovaries and uterus. Is there any evidence that female hormones in themselves result in a "cycle" of different emotions or physical sensations? Because if there's not. then we know this is bollocks.

This.

For some women, their menstrual cycles cause symptoms such as headaches, abdominal pain and bloating.

Men may also suffer from conditions (or drug side effects) that cause headaches, abdominal pain, or bloating. But these are not menstrual symptoms - they are just symptoms. If they are severe, regular or prolonged they may need investigating, as any symptoms do - they could be a sign of IBS, various cancers, appendicitis or any number of other things, or that the dosage or types of any medicines they are taking need adjusting. Time spent investigating their periods instead of these other options is wasted.

It's bad enough that women get symptoms of serious illness dismissed because 'Oh, it's probably just your period'. Theres no need to start doing it to men as well. That is not kindness or progress.

@HootyMcBooby @sendinthefrownz

I agree no trans woman can experience menstruation. They can experience hormonal induced symptoms but that does not equate to a period or menstruation

What some endocrinologists do is create a cycle with differing levels of estrogen and progesterone through a 28 day cycle.

It really is quite cruel to do this and tell these male people that they now have a ‘period’. When they clearly do not.

To be honest there is no need for anyone to be writhing around in a vIdeo, holding a hot water bottle for cramps. It’s just bonkers. All I want to do is say ‘fuck off’ to the world and retreat. Not broadcast the fact that I’ve got cramps! Quite incomprehensible to me, regardless of sex/gender.

I suspect the hot water bottle is mainly used for hiding their "euphoria/validation".