Trans women do not have periods.

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According to period pants maker Modibodi, transwomen can have 'periods'. Periods which are just as valid apparently.

Whilst I'm not going to suggest I know what hormone treatment tied to a trans woman, I can confidently say that no, they don't have periods. Periods involve blood. Trans women don't bleed.

Modibodi seem to acknowledge that there is no bleeding involved I transwomen's 'periods' but bizarrely under a section on how to manage their periods, trans women should wear period pants. For the life of all God's WHY???! Wtf would wear period pants if they didn't have to?

OP. YADNBU.

What about if it impacts women as a group?

Do you not see how it is damaging if we no longer have the words to describe ourselves?

Honestly? I really can't @MargotBamborough

There are scores of women who were born women and do not have periods, it doesn't make them any less of a woman.

I'm a woman, and frankly the fact that I have a period is one of the least interesting things about me.

I don't want to step on the feelings of anyone else, so if you feel that transwomen wearing period pants damages you and other women then that is valid. I personally don't feel that way.

Being a man makes someone less of a woman I would say.

Only if you believe that transwomen are men, which I don't.

What are they then?

Women- clue's in the name.

@sweetpickle23 it's not a belief, it's a fact. Trans women are men, or else the whole concept of being trans wouldn't exist.

So not biological men then?

How does their inner feeling literally change their sex? Woman and female are biological terms.
Whatever they are feeling inside does not change biological reality.
Trans women are trans women.
They are not women.

Do you believe they are male?

It does impact women and girls collectively. It is very dismissive that anyone tries to do this by limiting it to their own lack of impact. That is the ‘ I am alright Jack approach ‘.

"Trans women’s periods are just as real and valid as anyone else’s, so whether it’s tracking your hormonal cycle, slipping on some comfy period underwear"...

This cannot be reposted often enough. It is misinformation. It does not help anyone in the end to perpetuate this lie. A ‘period’ is not just a ‘hormone cycle’. It is a specific cycle and never is it a male one. Not even synthetised that emulate roughly a female body.

I agree, it’s shit. I read this bit on their website and as far as I’m aware, none of those symptoms require modibodi products. Unless I’ve missed something and they stop bloating or relieve pain? It’s just another route for companies to make money and they won’t be having mine.

Yep calling a transwoman's bleed a "period" is appropriative af.

They won't care though.

And "be kind" can go and fuck itself.

OK, I'm no longer specifically talking about the word "period", I'm talking about all the words pertaining to members of the female sex and their sex based needs and bodily functions which have been redefined to include members of the male sex.

Take the words "woman" and "female", as the most basic example.

Imagine you were raped by a man. You join a women only rape crisis group for female survivors of rape and sexual assault. One day a male person joins the group. This sets all your trauma responses off and you are no longer able to participate in the discussion. You ask the service provider if it is possible to move to a women's group which is exclusively for female survivors only. They say no, because trans women are women, and also female.

How do you stand any chance of getting what you need, or even saying what you need, if the people you are talking to are using the words "women" and "female" to include the literal opposite of what you understand these words to mean, and when even when you understand the other person's different perspective, there are no other words you can actually use to communicate your meaning because they have all been taken and redefined?

This isn't about period pants in isolation.

It is the appropriation of womanhood and women's issues by biological males who believe that female people's language, spaces and even healthcare communications should be dramatically altered to include and centre them.

So yeah, it is actually important for there to be clear words which society uses to label particular things and people, particularly things and people as important as, say, the entire childbearing sex, and that we do not tolerate the use of these words being changed to include their literal opposite.

And for what it's worth, fetishising periods is fucking grim and people who do this should not be pandered to.

If brands wish to expand their market, of course they can. That is capitalism in a capitalist economy.

They cannot then be upset when their primary market rejects them. And the primary market rejecting them for lack of understanding about the needs of the primary market is not cruel for fucks sake. Cruel could be said to be leveraging female bodily functions as opening up a new male market. A male market that requires female people to have been actively using the product before so it was considered a female product brand.

That is exploiting your established market cruelly for expansion .

Would you be OK with one joining a support group for female survivors of rape and sexual violence then?

lol of course they’re men otherwise what would they be transitioning from? 🤷🏻‍♀️

Surely you NEED to be male to qualify as a transwoman?

Or am I missing something here? I thought it was one of the pre-requisites?
Otherwise they would just be women, wouldn't they?

Can I be a transwoman? Can my daughters be transwomen?

That is belief it is not material reality.

To those reading along, this is the impact of using preferred pronouns and preferred language. You see arguments such as this.

Spurred on because a brand uses the preferred words of transwomen. Which the majority of the Uk population does not understand the meaning of.

no. Male people are never female they remain male and have male health conditions . Denying this through harmful misinformation is dangerous. They are still a subset of men. No matter their language preferences

In some parts of the world menstruating women are treated as social outcasts, and girls are unable to attend school on those days.

By pretending that a period can be just a vague feeling you are minimising their discrimination, and also the pain and impact heavy periods can have on women and girls across the globe.

I am not going to shove these women under a bus by "being kind" to male fantasists.

This is it, exactly.

If trans women are women, meaning that "women" now refers to a group of people who may be either male or female", what words can members of the female sex use when they want to make it clear that they are talking specifically about members of their own sex regardless of any kind of identity and not under any circumstances any members of the opposite sex?

If you say you want your smear test to be performed by a female nurse and the nurse turns out to be a trans woman, what do you do if you say, "no, I said female" and they say, "this nurse IS female, she is a woman"?

It's gaslighting, it's abusive, and I judge people who go along with it very harshly.

If one were to picture a hypothetical "flowchart", the two boxes at the top would read "men" and "women" (or male and female).
Under the "female" box, it would sub-divide into all kinds of female people, including trans men, gay women, women with DSDs of the female pathway, straight women, and non-binary women who remain biologically female.
Under the "male" box, it would sub divide into all kinds of male people, including trans women, gay and straight men, non-binary men who remain biologically male, and those with DSDs of the male sexual pathway.

Trans women belong under the "male" heading because they are , and remain, biologically male despite any and all medical or surgical interventions.
They can never jump across to the "female" box because their biology (which is the distinguishing factor of maleness or femaleness) will not allow for this.

Trans women are a subset of men.

It's not an opinion, it's not MY opinion, it's nobody's opinion.

It is a FACT.
Whether you or they like it or not.

Did anyone actually click onto the website and look at the products before all the screeching started?

Did you? Maybe you should before you post any further 🙄

Absolutely this.

I wonder how many trans women there are in countries where women are confined to menstrual huts every month and subjected to other degrading treatment due to their sex?

I once asked a trans activist on Twitter whether they thought there were a lot of trans women in Afghanistan and they said, "Of course not, it's far too dangerous to be out as a trans person in Afghanistan!"

Oh, mate. That's the sound of the point whooshing over your head. It's far too dangerous to be a woman in Afghanistan but unfortunately women can't just pop a pair of trousers on and present as men.

All this "trans women are women and extremely oppressed and vulnerable and we should be kind to them" stuff is the epitome of a luxury belief system invented by people with little or no exposure to real persecution.