Storylines in mainstream films which are morally wild

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Big Daddy
Overboard
While you were sleeping

Pretty woman originally was much darker and had a pretty bleak ending, but they rewrote it to fit with what was popular at the time.

That sounds interesting and I bet more realistic.

It didn't feel like a fairytale to go off to live with the man who was happy to use the services of a prostitute. I think and hoped it couldn't have lasted.

Never Been Kissed - Teacher falls for supposed 17 year old pupil.

I was a big fan of the Thorn Birds at the time (book and then the TV series). As an adult I find both impossibly creepy.

It's kind of the point of the film, but Passengers with Jennifer Lawrence and Chris Pine raises some interesting questions. Wake up a girl out of stasis because you fancy her and doom her to dying alone in space with you instead of her living the future she'd planned for on another planet. It's not an everyday sort of problem really 😄good film though.

Saturday Night Fever. John Travolta’s character rapes a girl toward the end with total casualness and says something along the lines of, ‘you’ve finally got what you wanted’. It was treated as just normal and I don’t remember anyone being shocked at the time.

Don't even get me started on Jane Eyre or... Clueless

From what I remember Tony tries to rape Stephanie, his dance partner, but she fights him off (it having been implied that she ‘led him on’ by kissing him on the dance floor). Then his gang get into the car with a drunk Annette (who is in love with Tony) and the others gangrape her while Tony is in the front seat. After the others get out of the car, Tony tells her she was asking for it.

Not that this makes it any less hideous — it’s a really misogynistic film.

I think Tony apologises to Stephanie at the end (and she admits she’s letting a known rapist into her apartment AND says she respects him???) but not Annette. Think the last we see of her is in the arms of one of the gang who raped her.

Women are just collateral damage for men’s ‘journey’.

Saturday night Fever is awful I've only seen it once I don't understand how it's a "classic"

Yes I remember loving it at the time. It was so sad.

I rewatched with some surprise.

Why is Thorn Birds horrible and about grooming?
He wasn't grooming her, he happened to be a grown up while she was a child and their relationship was never more than that of a priest and a member of his congregation. He was looking after her, seeing she was neglected by her parents, but he never behaved inappropriately.
Ever since she grew up, she was the one wanting more and trying to get him to be with her and he kept saying that he cannot do it. Until he stopped saying that - but she was 26 years old then

The Mallen Streak series was a bit odd and rapey.

Gone With The Wind is a classic, but I was uncomfortable when Rhett raped Scarlett and she was shown content and happy the next morning ie she enjoyed it. Similarly with a favourite film of mine, Bladerunner, the love interest tries to leave Harrison Ford's flat, but he stops her, forcibly kisses her and they end up in bed.

A lot of old westerns are quite shocking now.

that is definitely grooming even unintentional he should have been the better person it isn't romantic its creepy imo.

He was looking after her, seeing she was neglected by her parents, but he never behaved inappropriately.

Have you watched it recently? I rewatched a few years ago, and his behaviour towards her was very creepy. Naïve at best, even if he hadn't gone onto having a full blown relationship with her.

That Napa winery and wedding dress shop is gonna have to pay for a hell of a lot of therapy

And he was a supposedly celibate priest who (aside from the grooming) broke his vows and was rewarded by being made a CARDINAL!

I mean !

Oh my, you've ruined 'While you were sleeping' for me now! 😂

I suppose pretending to a concussed man that you're actually his girlfriend while simultaneously flirting with his brother is indeed morally questionable 😂

There's several films where the plot id basically
Important person gets into trouble with the police
Needs to do Community Service
So they put them in a school or with other vulnerable children

They made a Home Alone 3 and 4, with a completely different cast, setting etc but weirdly some of them had similar names.

They are appalling, shoddy films but the plot of 4 made me rage. It starts with Mrs McAllister being a single parent because a vicious woman in the dads office has made him leave his family.

When the kids visit dad and new woman, she is an absolute bitch to everyone. Dad just smiles and has no agency over this.

In the final scene when the burglars are vanquished, by some weird plot twist the new woman is taken away by the police, shrieking like a thwarted witch. The family all cheer because the baddie is gone, the parents hug each other and the family is reunited.

I wouldn't let my kid watch it again, not that he asked. It's jaw droppingly bad on every possible level.

And he was a supposedly celibate priest who (aside from the grooming) broke his vows and was rewarded by being made a CARDINAL!

I think they knew about his relationship too! If I remember rightly.

I don't understand the issues with Big , it is a film and wouldn't ever happen in reality. So why be offended and if you are offended surely if it was to happen and a 12 year old boy would be in a man's body and working isn't this more like to be reality?

films which are morally wild
A million American films where they normalise the idea that Law Enforcement shoot first and ask questions afterwards.
And not just shoot, but shoot to kill.

I love Saturday Night Fever, but it was never meant to be a 'nice' film. It's a dark film about the hard life these teenagers live, strict religious parents, little money, no hope of ever escaping the life that's already mapped out for them or the area they've grown up in. So their only escapism is drugs, dancing and sex. The 70s was a hugely misogynistic time.

Hmm, interesting debate....

But art reflects life and life and humans are messy and complicated, and morals and ethics reflect the culture and social norms of the time, rightly or wrong.

The allusion to Charlie being good and Christ like is interesting - in i think it's Matthew? Christ is described as coming with a sword and setting family members against each other, and there are texts contemporaneous with the gospels that didn't make it into the NT that describe Jesus childhood when he would use his powers to smite playmates and teachers who displeased him. Of course later on he saw the error of his ways and resurrected them, so all good 😁

And he spent 40 days and nights in the desert overcoming temptation....allegedly
I'm not religious but I find it all fascinating .
Not a film, but I watched a comedy skit on FB by accident involving David Walliams, playing himself, having to inform an inordinate number of famous people who he had slept with that he had an STD ...... now that was all kinds of WTAF in my head.....