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To think (generationally) wealthy people are better looking?

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LylaLee · 16/12/2023 06:49

Yes, there are many men who would have married the 'homely' neighbour in order to join land or for alliance reasons.

But very often, a wealthy man 'gets to pick' a beautiful woman. Over several generations, surely this results in a better looking family overall. Whereas we plebs occasionally are randomly good looking, but not in the same way as a family with generation after generation of 'beauty injections' to their gene pool.

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readymealeater · 17/12/2023 07:30

RunAwayTurnAwayRunAwayTurnAway · 16/12/2023 12:46

How many term pregnancies had she had? Nine? Ten?

Here's a pic of her aged 23 in 1842. She had only had 2 children by this point.

Plus, she would have been flattered by the artist, as was the practice when painting aristocracy.

To think (generationally) wealthy people are better looking?
Dacadactyl · 17/12/2023 07:30

SharSharBinks · 17/12/2023 06:11

Hmm, I think men that graft often have much better physiques. Give me a boxer over a fat office worker anyday.

100% this. I've never seen a fat plasterer or roofer.

TheaBrandt · 17/12/2023 08:37

Really?! I beg to differ! Our builders were umm not in great shape. You can’t out exercise a bad diet

Dacadactyl · 17/12/2023 09:10

@TheaBrandt well ours were in great shape (especially the plasterer, haha!)

TheaBrandt · 17/12/2023 09:13

My desk bound Dh is in amazing shape as he eats well and exercises like a demon. Our lovely builders were to a man rather flabby !

localnotail · 17/12/2023 09:22

First of all, a lot of people have a different idea of what is attractive. Some wealthy guys I know like a woman who looks a bit like Camilla - rough looking horsey type, slim but with the face a bit like Sarah JP's. Secondly, wealthy people very often wed someone from their own circle, they gravitate towards their own - and, like most people, often fall in love with someone who is attractive to them, and not so much to everyone else. And, of course, genetics works in an interesting way - attractive parents can end up with not so attractive children. Look at our Royal Family, for startres - they all should be gorgeous, but none of them are ))))

I think wealth can get you better nutrition and better healthcare, and of course some subtle plastic surgery and orthodontics if needed - but not necessarily good looks automatically.

TheaBrandt · 17/12/2023 09:27

Anecdotally and I see this via my work the very wealthy marry each other. Bad luck to gold diggers!

VanityDiesHard · 17/12/2023 10:44

Dacadactyl · 17/12/2023 07:30

100% this. I've never seen a fat plasterer or roofer.

TBF I've seen plenty of obese construction workers, it isn't a given that they'll be in great shape. I have also seen fit office workers.

VanityDiesHard · 17/12/2023 10:45

localnotail · 17/12/2023 09:22

First of all, a lot of people have a different idea of what is attractive. Some wealthy guys I know like a woman who looks a bit like Camilla - rough looking horsey type, slim but with the face a bit like Sarah JP's. Secondly, wealthy people very often wed someone from their own circle, they gravitate towards their own - and, like most people, often fall in love with someone who is attractive to them, and not so much to everyone else. And, of course, genetics works in an interesting way - attractive parents can end up with not so attractive children. Look at our Royal Family, for startres - they all should be gorgeous, but none of them are ))))

I think wealth can get you better nutrition and better healthcare, and of course some subtle plastic surgery and orthodontics if needed - but not necessarily good looks automatically.

Do they actually 'like' these Camilla looking women, or are they just marrying them because they are the best they can get without compromising wealth?

Butchyrestingface · 17/12/2023 10:47

Depends how inbred they are, surely?

Have you SEEN the Habsburg jaw? 😱

Barmecide · 17/12/2023 10:49

SOxon · 17/12/2023 03:16

I never was a Hugh Grant fan at all, the self effacing repressed Englishman act
when we knew he was caught en flagrante, with Liz Hurley at home - until I was
dragged off to see ‘Florence Foster Jenkins’ (Meryl Streep).
Hugh was a revelation as the husband.
His bum shaking dance to the Pointer Sisters in Love Actually, showing off his
body at last, also a great surprise.

My daughter discovered him in ‘Paddington’ I guess that is the villain you mean?

Also A Very British Scandal and The Undoing.

Mairzydotes · 17/12/2023 10:59

I don't know if it's an attractiveness thing , but they have poise .
From being a small child , I have been able to tell who was well to do and who was from a poor area by how they look .

blettedmedlar · 17/12/2023 11:05

@user746016 I agree about poverty being particularly visible in children. When Shannon Matthews was "abducted" and her photo was all over the press, I found the tell-tale signs heartbreaking - hair obviously hacked at, wonky fringe, dull skin, yellowed teeth. She was the same age as my daughter, and lived only ten miles away but might have been from a different world.

Tandora · 17/12/2023 11:08

I’d think it would be due to lifestyle rather than genes !

SOxon · 17/12/2023 12:30

Mairzydotes · 17/12/2023 10:59

I don't know if it's an attractiveness thing , but they have poise .
From being a small child , I have been able to tell who was well to do and who was from a poor area by how they look .

This is well observed.

I’ve noticed this too, the ‘breeding shows’ or ‘Carriage!’ as my grandma
would tell my sister and me, making us walk about with books on our heads.

On YT ‘StreetStyle’ be it Milan, Paris, Copenhagen Stockholm, London,
obviously in affluent shopping areas, hypnotic, awe filled viewing showing,
apart from the immaculate grooming, expensive well cut clothes, shoes, hair, etc., deportment, poise, elegance, breeding, especially the Old Money videos.

Poor people dressed up do not have that inherent je ne sais quoi despite the
fantasy of My Fair Lady or the ‘Fine feathers make fine birds’ empty promise.

The movement in the videos is slowed down, even more dreamlike.

zaazaazoo · 17/12/2023 13:21

User14March · 17/12/2023 00:14

@VanityDiesHard we’ll have to agree to disagree. She can look stunning. I think she’d be first to say not a model but it’s simply unfair & untrue to say she’s unattractive.

That's the point. She is plain as day but with money she can make herself look good. Genetically she's a 5 out of 10

localnotail · 17/12/2023 13:26

VanityDiesHard · 17/12/2023 10:45

Do they actually 'like' these Camilla looking women, or are they just marrying them because they are the best they can get without compromising wealth?

Weirdly, I met guys who find that kind of masculine, sun dried SJP look very attractive (and not just posh guys btw). Each to their own!

VanityDiesHard · 17/12/2023 13:40

localnotail · 17/12/2023 13:26

Weirdly, I met guys who find that kind of masculine, sun dried SJP look very attractive (and not just posh guys btw). Each to their own!

That is extremely weird.

VanityDiesHard · 17/12/2023 13:42

zaazaazoo · 17/12/2023 13:21

That's the point. She is plain as day but with money she can make herself look good. Genetically she's a 5 out of 10

Exactly. She is an ideal typical 5. People think a 5 is ugly. It isn't, a 3 is ugly. A 5 is mediocre/plain, 6 is crawling into attractive territory, 7 is attractive, and 8 through 10 are various levels of gorgeous. For men and women, before anyone accuses me of sexism.

Citrusandginger · 17/12/2023 13:56

I think there is psychology that people often marry people with facial similarities. This might explain horsey looking people marrying each other.

Camilla's ex, Andrew PB was allegedly the inspiration for one of Jilly Cooper's novels and supposedly a looker back in the day. I can't say I see it myself.

SOxon · 17/12/2023 14:02

User14March · 17/12/2023 05:20

@SOxon your post reminds me of bloodstock, horses. Shetland ponies & racehorses, racehorses begetting racehorses. Etc:)

Kate Beckinsale has mixed heritage via her father, Cheryl (as she once was/is ) Cole, I had thought so too, more distantly, via her mother. Explains their beauty, in part, possibly.

Gene dominance, interesting to ponder, the sire, being more important? Now thinking of Mike Tindall for some reason. :)

Lady D’s nieces I think are very beautiful.

You, mention character/temperament, vivaciousness etc. This of course also makes someone attractive, or otherwise, wit/IQ etc being aphrodisiac & more enduring than mere looks.

Here, a few posters have said, children invariably take after their father.
Speaking of horses - a good example of this would be the Wright/Ferguson
marriage, both from landed gentry, aristocratic grandparents.
Susan Wright was slender, attractive, yes vivacious, whilst Ronald
was large, lumbering, gruff, unkempt, loud.
Of their two daughters one favoured her father, one their mother,
one was graceless, one moved to Australia
Of the former, we can see for ourselves how forceful are dominant genes
in her own children.
One married a slightly built, fey, self conscious man working in a creative occupation, the other married a slim attractive man also involved in creative
enterprises.

We will have to wait, see if this theory has any credence.

Ive seen pictures of the Tindall children, of course, but they are never still
long enough to admire, although this alone shows how healthy, happy, fit
they are, fresh air and exercise and well fed.
Mike and Zara always look happy, smiley, which in itself is attractive and appealing.

Kate Beckinsale has distant Burmese, beautiful woman, brainy too.

I’ve no idea what Cheryl’s genealogy is, exotic from a small race perhaps.

zaazaazoo · 17/12/2023 14:10

@SOxon Speaking of horses - a good example of this would be the Wright/Ferguson marriage, both from landed gentry, aristocratic grandparents.
Susan Wright was slender, attractive, yes vivacious, whilst Ronald was large, lumbering, gruff, unkempt, loud.

Of their two daughters one favoured her father, one their mother, one was graceless, one moved to Australia
Of the former, we can see for ourselves how forceful are dominant genes in her own children.

So neither father nor mother was specifically genetically dominant. One followed the father's and the other, the mother's phenotype.

What are you hoping to see from the next generation?

BungleandGeorge · 17/12/2023 14:16

The vast majority of people are somewhere in the middle I’d agree that truly beautiful people are generally a genetic anomaly and happen by chance. What a horrible thread picking on individuals peoples’ looks, perhaps remember that beauty is only skin deep anyway!

DerekFaker · 17/12/2023 14:16

VanityDiesHard · 17/12/2023 13:40

That is extremely weird.

This whole thread is extremely weird.

HamBone · 17/12/2023 14:20

I don't know if it's an attractiveness thing , but they have poise .
From being a small child , I have been able to tell who was well to do and who was from a poor area by how they look .

I agree, @Mairzydotes. The ppl I know with generational wealthy have an innate confidence. I expect knowing that you’ll never need to worry about money helps!