Page 6 | To wonder why people who commit crime keep texting each other their Plans?

girlfriend44 · 2023-12-15T21:53:29+00:00

Keep seeing this. A crimes committed and police seize phones and retrieve messages. The people involved, layout all their plans and fantasy by text or whattsapp to each other. How do they think they will get away with it, when it's all typed out. Why are people so thick as well as horrible? 🙄

x2boys · 17/12/2023 08:50

girlfriend44 · 16/12/2023 14:25

Why did Ian Huntley come forward and say he had seen Jessica and Holly and that led to his arrest Wouldn't you keep quiet?

Had they been seen near his house ?
And Maxine Carr had been their teaching assistant Which I think.wss common knowledge?
Maybe he got off on the publicity?

HRTQueen · 17/12/2023 18:46

girlfriend44 · 16/12/2023 22:06

Don't they realise police take their phones then and there are cameras everywhere today?

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Many people think they are above the law

they don’t plan their crimes in great detail and don’t think they will get caught

Many obviously don’t get caught I doubt they are all criminal masterminds just lucky that the police haven’t investigated their crimes that throughly

Qwerty556 · 17/12/2023 18:50

StartupRepair · 15/12/2023 21:57

I met a senior detective who said to me 'every crime has a digital footprint'. Often think about that.

Only 5.7% of crimes ever result in a conviction so his confidence seems misplaced.

StartupRepair · 17/12/2023 19:22

@Qwerty556 agree but she was making the point that there is so often something: a text message, online purchase, cctv footage, google search, bank activity etc that detectives need to be very savvy about the digital background we all generate all the time and look at it as part of any crime.

DdraigGoch · 17/12/2023 21:49

Qwerty556 · 17/12/2023 18:50

Only 5.7% of crimes ever result in a conviction so his confidence seems misplaced.

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In many cases that will be down to a lack of resources to investigate with.

AintNothinButARoundFrog · 17/12/2023 22:19

DdraigGoch · 17/12/2023 21:49

In many cases that will be down to a lack of resources to investigate with.

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It's mainly due to the CPS. They only prosecute crimes that are a) in the public's best interest to take to court and b) they feel there is a very high chance of conviction. Knowing this is why I would be a liability on a jury, I'd assume if they had made it to court they are guilty. Probably not the best stance for a juror!

Hottenan · 17/12/2023 22:23

Most criminals use burner phones and the dark web or if top level, have great lawyers and get other people to do their dirty work.

KenAdams · 17/12/2023 22:42

I always think that if anyone is watching my phone, all the MN murder and unsolved mystery threads I read and the subsequent related Googling would NOT look good for me.

EatMyHead · 17/12/2023 23:00

Obviously there are some idiotic cases described on this thread.

But I think one factor is that the police would need some kind of lead to link you to a crime before getting as far as tracing your phone, wouldn't they? I mean, it's not like they're recording, transcribing and analysing every single text sent by everyone to anyone for criminal content.

Yes, it would make sense to consider the possibility that the police might get a lead on you, and that in that case reducing your digital footprint would reduce the likelihood of conviction. But if you looked at it like that you probably wouldn't do the crime anyway. You do it because you think you can do it without them suspecting you. And if they don't suspect you, they're not going to examine your communications.

DdraigGoch · 18/12/2023 00:41

AintNothinButARoundFrog · 17/12/2023 22:19

It's mainly due to the CPS. They only prosecute crimes that are a) in the public's best interest to take to court and b) they feel there is a very high chance of conviction. Knowing this is why I would be a liability on a jury, I'd assume if they had made it to court they are guilty. Probably not the best stance for a juror!

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Ah yes, the Criminal Protection Service or Couldn't Prosecute Satan. I was threatened at work, along with an off-duty colleague. The bloke had a weapon and had a long list of prior convictions.

The six month limit had almost expired by the time that someone senior in the police got the CPS to drag the case file out of the spam folder. Justice delayed is justice denied. Mercifully when it did go to court he pleaded guilty and got porridge.

DdraigGoch · 18/12/2023 00:47

EatMyHead · 17/12/2023 23:00

Obviously there are some idiotic cases described on this thread.

But I think one factor is that the police would need some kind of lead to link you to a crime before getting as far as tracing your phone, wouldn't they? I mean, it's not like they're recording, transcribing and analysing every single text sent by everyone to anyone for criminal content.

Yes, it would make sense to consider the possibility that the police might get a lead on you, and that in that case reducing your digital footprint would reduce the likelihood of conviction. But if you looked at it like that you probably wouldn't do the crime anyway. You do it because you think you can do it without them suspecting you. And if they don't suspect you, they're not going to examine your communications.

True, but in murder cases the offender is often known to the victim so they've often got a place to start. For recidivists once you've got them for one crime it's a lot easier to uncover the rest.

Mirrormeback · 18/12/2023 00:57

Because it's all part of the fun

'We're in this together' (as insane evil psycho's)

Undineimmor · 18/12/2023 05:33

Qwerty556 · 17/12/2023 18:50

Only 5.7% of crimes ever result in a conviction so his confidence seems misplaced.

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I know people who have reported robberies - you get a reference number for insurance, do nothing and don't even try to solve the crime.

They might dust your house for fingerprints. Too busy catching people on Twitter stating whatever today's unpopular opinion is

Shoppingfiend · 18/12/2023 05:39

Would it be before WhatsApp was encrypted so doesn’t happen now

Undineimmor · 18/12/2023 06:20

There is literally someone in a work thread threatening violence and abuse against a coworker, possibly unaware that their ip address is collected from mumsnet and a quick search using their email address will quickly being up all the social media accounts they have 🤣😂.

We are never truly anonymous on the internet. It seems some people have not yet got the memo.

CanadianJohn · 18/12/2023 15:15

Some years ago I read a book about a psychopath/lawyer who wrote up a list of 'rules' for getting away with murder. The first one was 'never kill anyone you know'.

A good book, though somewhat dated now... I think it was written in 1989, before the internet, and even mobile phones were less common.

EatMyHead · 18/12/2023 18:45

Some years ago I read a book about a psychopath/lawyer...

Is there any other kind of lawyer?

CanadianJohn · 18/12/2023 21:24

EatMyHead · 18/12/2023 18:45

Some years ago I read a book about a psychopath/lawyer...

Is there any other kind of lawyer?

Well, this lawyer took his own advice and became a serial murderer. A pretty good book, I should dig it out and have a re-read.

I think that criminal lawyers in general become so enmeshed in the rules that they lose sight of right and wrong.