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To wonder why people who commit crime keep texting each other their Plans?

143 replies

girlfriend44 · 15/12/2023 21:53

Keep seeing this. A crimes committed and police seize phones and retrieve messages.
The people involved, layout all their plans and fantasy by text or whattsapp to each other.

How do they think they will get away with it, when it's all typed out.

Why are people so thick as well as horrible? 🙄

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MadeOfAllWork · 15/12/2023 23:34

There was a case on 24hr in police custody, or similar, where a man got done for grooming a girl. It was all done via WhatsApp which he thought had been deleted but it hadn’t.

And a family member of mine went to prison for a good few years for a crime he videoed himself committing.

ChateauDuMont · 15/12/2023 23:36

Graham Price of South Wales ripped off the bank where he worked, but he wasn’t completely duplicitous. He left a note in the safe: “Borrowed, seven million pounds”—signed “Graham Price.”

I didn't think that one was true but I googled it and it is!

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/12-years-jail-bank-manager-2367077.amp

SgtJuneAckland · 15/12/2023 23:36

It's other things too,.oh so you're 19 unemployed and yet you have brand new designer trainers every week, a Canada goose coat, an iPhone a burner phone and you're driving around in a 2 year old white Audi with blacked out windows, that's registered to your mum because you don't have a licence. The same mum who doesn't work and has just been on her 4th holiday of the year. Then have absolutely no explanation when you ask how they are funding this.

ChateauDuMont · 15/12/2023 23:37

When police in Vancouver, Canada, asked to search Jason Pauchay’s apartment for drugs, he was not a suspect—in fact, they were looking for someone else. That all changed when they got a look at how his name was listed on his cell phone: “Jason Pauchay Drug Dealer.”

Notchangingnameagain · 15/12/2023 23:37
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ChateauDuMont · 15/12/2023 23:38

A German bank robber sent mocking emails to local police, ridiculing their efforts to arrest him. First, he let them know they had his age, build, and accent wrong. Then he corrected their announcement that he’d escaped on foot; no, he had a getaway car! The cops got the last word in, though, when they arrested the guy a few hours later. They used his email to trace him.

ChateauDuMont · 15/12/2023 23:39

Police in Pico Rivera, California, had an easy time pinning a four-year-old murder on Anthony Garcia. That’s because he pinned it on himself—with an elaborate tattoo on his chest, depicting the killing. Cops noticed the incriminating ink when taking Garcia’s mug shot for a petty crime. The tattoo revealed all the details of the night, from the Christmas lights and bent streetlamp near the liquor store where the body was found to the image of an angry helicopter—Garcia’s nickname was Chopper—machine-gunning the victim.

ChateauDuMont · 15/12/2023 23:40

I love this one -

The victim’s jewelry was missing, the electronics were gone, and a window was smashed. No wonder she was hysterical when officer Charanjit Meharu of the Calgary police arrived. Then her French-speaking father called. Speaking in French, she explained that it was all a scam in order to get the insurance money. What she didn’t suspect was that Officer Meharu speaks six languages, including French.

pizzaHeart · 15/12/2023 23:41

Is it about government’s WhatsApp messages?

Notchangingnameagain · 15/12/2023 23:53
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Brilliant

Panaa · 16/12/2023 00:02

Apparently it's very hard to get into a lot of phones.

I recently had to make a statement about a historic crime regarding my ex and they had lots of his phones and they were asking me if I knew of any pins etc he might have used. I know they had managed to crack some of them but not all.

However saying that if I was to commit any crimes I certainly wouldn't be texting about it 😂I definitely think it is pure stupidity though because even if people don't pay much attention to the news they'd surely still always hear about text messages etc in court cases.

And as others have said people don't seem to even try to cover their tracks. Bizarre

Teenagequeenwithaloadedgun · 16/12/2023 00:15

I saw an episode of 24 Hours in Police Custody (I think) where there was a drugs gang with a WhatsApp group.

They'd given themselves cool nicknames presumably to prevent identification, but the chat was stuff like 'have you got the drugs then?'

Standbyyourself · 16/12/2023 00:15

Panaa · 16/12/2023 00:02

Apparently it's very hard to get into a lot of phones.

I recently had to make a statement about a historic crime regarding my ex and they had lots of his phones and they were asking me if I knew of any pins etc he might have used. I know they had managed to crack some of them but not all.

However saying that if I was to commit any crimes I certainly wouldn't be texting about it 😂I definitely think it is pure stupidity though because even if people don't pay much attention to the news they'd surely still always hear about text messages etc in court cases.

And as others have said people don't seem to even try to cover their tracks. Bizarre

You’ve also got to trust the other person to have passwords/PINs on their phone and/or delete text messages etc. I think if I was a criminal I’d rather work alone, just working in an office has completely put me off being involved in some kind of gang murder.

DdraigGoch · 16/12/2023 00:39

Aria2023 · 15/12/2023 21:56

I have thought this exact same thing! You only have to watch a bit of Police Detective TV (factual or fictional) to know how easy phones are to trace and incriminate. I can only think that for those that get a ‘kick’ out of their crimes, they just can't resist talking about them or perhaps it's like you say, they just aren't very bright!

Criminals often aren’t very bright. BTP speak to someone about non-payment of a train fare and when they run their name through the PNC the bloke turns out to have an outstanding warrant for something like armed robbery. If he'd paid for his ticket he'd have gone free!

AintNothinButARoundFrog · 16/12/2023 00:50

DdraigGoch · 16/12/2023 00:39

Criminals often aren’t very bright. BTP speak to someone about non-payment of a train fare and when they run their name through the PNC the bloke turns out to have an outstanding warrant for something like armed robbery. If he'd paid for his ticket he'd have gone free!

Same thing with traffic stops. The public see these as a waste of resources but the amount of big time criminals caught because their car isn't taxed, or they're not wearing a seatbelt, or they're on their phone, or their windows are blacked out is really high.

therealcookiemonster · 16/12/2023 01:07

I'm afraid @girlfriend44 I have to challenge your premise due to sampling bias. criminals that get caught and/or convicted text each other their plans. If I was to... as a completely random example, stole Larry the cat. I would not do any Internet searches on pc's linked to me, I certainly wouldn't tell anyone or text anyone, I would probably not even have a partner in crime because no guarantee they wouldn't rat me out. = no evidence = I walk. if Larry ever goes missing, I didnt do it.

DdraigGoch · 16/12/2023 01:23

SinnerBoy · 15/12/2023 23:26

Jijithecat · Today 23:22

Some just don't seem to care and think they won't get caught.
Not a text message, but this person was banned from possessing a bike yet within days of his CBO being issued he cycled to his probation appointment.

And every so often, you hear of someone driving home from court, 10 minutes after being banned!

The really ludicrous thing is that when they end up back in court, the punishment for driving while disqualified will just be another ban - they didn't pay attention to the first one, why would this be different?

DC1888 · 16/12/2023 01:31

Eekmystro · 15/12/2023 22:43

Yes I’ve been following the recent Brianna Ghey case and the young people in that case really seem to have left a glowing neon sign of evidence.

It’s the Googling I find odd. You know when they’ve googled “how to get rid of a dead body” or something like that straight after the murder. Like duh!!!!!!

Was going to mention that (Googling)... the monster who killed Joanna Yeates springs to mind.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/vincent-tabak-s-internet-use-analysed-2372832.html

He used Google maps to look at the location where he put her body. He also watched a timelapse video of a body decomposing.

The absolute worst though has to be the classic hardware store visit to clean up the act (shovel and bleach seem to be the top purchases)... I mean how obvious do these numpties want to make it?

Twofurrycats · 16/12/2023 01:31

@Sharontheodopolodous I'm pretty sure the case you are referring to happened where I was living at the time. It was bizarre. There was footage of the 2 perpetrators on the travelator in haslingden tesco after purchasing the knife. There was a TV crew following the work of the police when this crime occurred so they got loads of footage. And some of the details that came out were unreal. I think they'd tried recruiting an ex to shoot the victim with an arrow as well.

DdraigGoch · 16/12/2023 01:44

AintNothinButARoundFrog · 16/12/2023 00:50

Same thing with traffic stops. The public see these as a waste of resources but the amount of big time criminals caught because their car isn't taxed, or they're not wearing a seatbelt, or they're on their phone, or their windows are blacked out is really high.

North Wales Police had fun during covid. The drug dealers really stood out when hardly any one else was on the roads.

DdraigGoch · 16/12/2023 01:49

The absolute worst though has to be the classic hardware store visit to clean up the act (shovel and bleach seem to be the top purchases)... I mean how obvious do these numpties want to make it?

You'd think that they'd spread things around a bit. Buy the spade in a garden centre alongside ordinary gardening things (perhaps a rose bush or two to plant over the grave) and get a bottle of bleach along with bread and milk at Tesco (paying cash, obviously)

Diggerdriverless · 16/12/2023 01:53

Maybe they believe that WhatsApp will mysteriously 'go down' and all the incriminating messages will be lost? This seems to happen sometimes. Apparently.

WandaWonder · 16/12/2023 02:22

Same reason no one is surprised when the police find people's google searches on how to kill people

Some people don't use the brains they were born with

JanglingJack · 16/12/2023 02:43

There are some idiots. But for 1 idiot, I give you 1000 criminals that use a 'burner' phone. We only hear about said phones after they've been caught. It still often takes digital forensics to retrieve deleted data.
They're not exactly asking their mate if they can drop off 30K of cocaine and shall we rob and bash Moira at number 17 whilst we're at it?

My phone is a PAYG burner, I couldn't even get away without paying for a bag in One Stop this morning!