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To feel deflated after a charity xmas do hearing a paid worker saying it was a 'free lunch' for them?

437 replies

YNK · 11/12/2023 23:45

I had an injury and joined a great charity group a few years ago to meet for coffee once a week and to enjoy activities and support each other.

Some members are in residential care due to the severity of their condition so they are always accompanied by carers, others have fully recovered.
Members pay for activities and weekly meetings and pay happily and willingly for the chance to meet and socialise.

Some members have suffered and been compensated legally for injuries caused and many are now financially secure and if assistance is provided, I feel this 'them and us' divide is hurtful.

After a very nice xmas lunch, as we were leaving a group of paid carers could be heard saying it was at least a decent 'free lunch'

I feel grubby now and I'm thinking of leaving the group - AIBU?

OP posts:
slashlover · 12/12/2023 18:47

My understanding is that they invited the carers at their own expense, not to provide care support but as guests, because they see them as part of the group, and to say thank you.

People keep saying things like this but OP has stated that she's never met any of the carers before as they don't attend the group.

TreacleMines · 12/12/2023 18:53

Lifeasiknowitisout · 12/12/2023 14:49

A childcare worker providing childcare is only doing it because it’s paid work.

Do you really believe they would look after peppels
children for free?

Some people really do think that child care providers are lucky to know their children, and actually care about them in the same way they do their own family.

I had the discussion with some friends of mine- they thought it was totally reasonable and expected for their kids pre school leader (not even nursery key worker, just the woman who ran a stay and play session for preschool aged children) to be really really sad and cry when their child left the group…

they also thought that each and every person on the street was delighted to be stopped and talked to by their toddler.

when I pointed out this was a bit odd they said I must lack emotional intelligence because I have mental health issues 🤷‍♀️.

PlacidPenelope · 12/12/2023 19:07

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 12/12/2023 17:29

They benefit from paid work and we appreciate their help, which is why we wanted them to have a nice time with us.

That's the comment which makes me think that actually the op looks down on the carers rather than vice versa. The carers are benefitting, they are lucky to have these jobs. Its an appalling attitude to people who are going to more than likely be worse off than the op.

They benefit from paid work is a very jarring statement isn't it. Then the patronising follow up we appreciate their help - it is not help it is work and damned hard work at times, we wanted them to have a nice time with us 'us' being their benevolent benefactors I suppose. There is a definite whiff of superiority of viewing the carers as less than and how they should be grateful for being provided with paid work and the privilege of being invited to a Christmas meal with their betters. It's straight out of the Lords of the Manor and their serfs era.

ChatBFP · 12/12/2023 20:23

Maybe the person who made the comment doesn't really like group events (I am in that camp, I dread work Christmas parties and making small talk, but I do it to make an effort), but did it so that the person he cares for is comfortable. In that context, it isn't insulting, just a recognition that he'd rather have not done this event if he had a free choice (not obliged to work, earn money, be employed as carer etc) but he did it and enjoyed the lunch

sadeyedladyofthelowlandsea · 12/12/2023 20:45

mantyzer · 12/12/2023 14:23

I think the OP has explained herself well. I think those saying she has not are failing to understand the nuances in this kind of relationship.

Considering that most of us on here are failing to understand the OP because of the inconsistencies in her story, perhaps you can enlighten the rest of us? It's nothing to do with the nuances of the relationship, it's the very odd attitude they have, the refusal to answer basic questions posed by the opening post, & the way the story keeps changing.

Codlingmoths · 12/12/2023 21:07

slashlover · 12/12/2023 18:47

My understanding is that they invited the carers at their own expense, not to provide care support but as guests, because they see them as part of the group, and to say thank you.

People keep saying things like this but OP has stated that she's never met any of the carers before as they don't attend the group.

Yes but the op is extremely unclear and also says they were invited as friends. Which i read as vague speak for they should have felt privileged to be included, since she doesn’t seem to have met the person commenting.

TomeTome · 12/12/2023 21:24

I understood the O.P. I'm not some it’s that hard. I would be absolutely furious if someone got up from a Christmas do for my disabled child and said "well at least we got a free meal out of it" in their hearing, it's a vile way to behave. Frankly my 5 year olds had better manners and more empathy.

LylaLee · 12/12/2023 22:48

TomeTome · 12/12/2023 21:24

I understood the O.P. I'm not some it’s that hard. I would be absolutely furious if someone got up from a Christmas do for my disabled child and said "well at least we got a free meal out of it" in their hearing, it's a vile way to behave. Frankly my 5 year olds had better manners and more empathy.

But that's not what was said. I don't think you've read the full thread.

sadeyedladyofthelowlandsea · 12/12/2023 22:48

@TomeTome Perhaps then you could explain it to the rest of us? Because we keep asking, and I'm still none the clearer. Was it a group of people saying this, or a man the OP had never met before? Were the carers there in a working capacity or as guests? What does 'them vs us' mean in relation to the group of friends? Why would the OP want to leave a group of friends based upon one overheard remark from a complete stranger that may have been misinterpreted or taken out of context?

An acquaintance of my Dad's was once so horrifyingly rude to me that people audibly gasped. He was left in no doubt as to how awful people thought his behaviour was. In this case, there are so many unclear factors - and the OP isn't helping by contradicting herself.

XenoBitch · 12/12/2023 22:52

I can't believe this thread is still going.

If the carers got a free lunch (and to be honest, they fucking deserve it), then they did nothing wrong by stating that they had a free lunch.

This whole thread is some baffling angry nonsense over nothing. I would suggest OP visit a grip shop and make a purchase.

Catsmere · 12/12/2023 23:25

CornflakesOnTheSolesOfHerShoes · 12/12/2023 16:16

I think some posters have misinterpreted what the OP said. It sounds as though the lunch wasn’t funded by the charity, or the carers’ employers - it was paid for directly by OP and her friends. My understanding is that they invited the carers at their own expense, not to provide care support but as guests, because they see them as part of the group, and to say thank you. Given that, while I do think OP is being a bit over-sensitive, I can see why she was hurt that what she saw as a gift wasn’t received as such, and was instead taken as something to be put up with for the sake of a free lunch.

She's also said they were paid to be there, so their employers were involved somehow - and that suggests to me they weren't really free to refuse.

Whoever paid for it, OP's pearl-clutching about one man, in a conversation with other people, making one remark of which she doesn't provide context (if she even knew it), "dissolving the glue" of her group - hers, not his - and being insufficiently grateful for lunch, is ridiculous. Grovel, peasant, make your clients feel special and let OP pretend you're all mates, not underpaid employees.

Lifeasiknowitisout · 13/12/2023 02:18

mantyzer · 12/12/2023 15:58

I would not be offended but I think some parents would be.

And they would be unreasonable. It’s a job. They do it’s because it’s paid. Anyone who thinks they do it for the pure joy of looking after their child is delusional.

As pp said above it’s more similar to a teacher taking the kids to the panto and saying ‘oh it’s been a long day but at least we got to see the panto for free’

Again, absolutely no issue with that either.

Spencer0220 · 13/12/2023 03:23

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 12/12/2023 08:27

Maybe the carers could organise a flash mob 'thank you' dance similar to 'food glorious food' to show how grateful they are?

Thank you! I needed this chuckle!

autienotnaughty · 13/12/2023 06:40

I'm a parent carer. In National carers week a local charity puts on a free lunch for carers. I go with a friend, it's a little reward/recognition. I wouldn't go if it was a pay for event as I don't know anyone else there. I'm not disrespecting the charity by enjoying a lunch on them I'm accepting a small perk.

BoredofBlonde · 13/12/2023 06:49

XenoBitch · 12/12/2023 22:52

I can't believe this thread is still going.

If the carers got a free lunch (and to be honest, they fucking deserve it), then they did nothing wrong by stating that they had a free lunch.

This whole thread is some baffling angry nonsense over nothing. I would suggest OP visit a grip shop and make a purchase.

You do realise that it WILL keep going while people like you keep posting on it, yes?

So your comment it part of that 😂(as obviously is mine but I'm not moaning about the thread)

ExTheCheater · 13/12/2023 07:43

Yabu op. This sounds similar to my work. I dreaded our meal. We basically were made to feel that we had to go as it was a time we would be working anyway. Mine ended up being not bad.

TomeTome · 13/12/2023 08:36

If your granny put on lunch for your friends and one of them was overheard by the group saying “at least we got a free lunch” on leaving would you be happy? All this nonsense about who was or wasn’t working is just clouding the issue. The man was rude and he was rude at an event provided to make the other participants feel happy. What a dick.

Catsmere · 13/12/2023 09:22

If your granny put on lunch for your friends and one of them was overheard by the group saying “at least we got a free lunch” on leaving would you be happy?

This wasn't lunch put on for a group of friends. It was put on for people employed as carers. They are specifically NOT friends of their clients - that's been spelled out repeatedly in the thread.

The rude one was OP listening in to someone else's conversation and then complaining here because he wasn't humbly grateful ("honoured and privileged") about being expected to spend yet more time in a work environment.

LadyBird1973 · 13/12/2023 09:28

Sometimes you can't help but hear other people's conversations, especially if they are speaking their inappropriate comments too loudly! It's not reasonable to criticise the OP for accidentally overhearing something - unless she was in the next room holding a glass to the wall, that's not her fault!

Catsmere · 13/12/2023 09:37

She could have kept it to herself instead of complaining here with her contradictory, context-free OTT posts, though ... it really was none of her business what someone she didn't know was saying to other people.

Lwrenagain · 13/12/2023 09:39

As resident MN povvo and pleb who has done care work I'm sorry if you've read this on my other posts before however I have read some comments here and I just would like to clarify a few things, having done agency care work also I've worked in over 100 care/residential homes over the years and if anyone is interested, I'd like to highlight this for you 💔

Carers are not only on minimum wage, but also skeleton crew, so often you'll find 3 carers to care for maybe 80 people between them. If it's night shift one carer will be preparing pots of potatoes and veg for the kitchen staff next morning. Not in every home but majority. That leaves 2 carers to shower, toilet, dress, settle and medicate huge numbers of people, often a few serious cases of dementia or other mental illness from one or two residents will dictate the time of one carer, leaving lions share to just one.

We're assaulted regularly from patients and will literally hug the same person who's just spat at us, punched or kicked us, once they're calmer and need reassuring they're okay now.

Care homes DO NOT provide toiletries. So across the board most carers SPEND THEIR OWN MONEY AND TIME stocking up their own bags with bodywashes, talc, sprays and other bits and pieces to make their residents smell clean. I've worked in some affluent care homes with residents used to some fancy toiletries to then be washed in homebargain shower gel because their family haven't provided them with hygiene products.

Often carers bring in things to donate. I remember about 10 years ago a staff member from one place I worked posted in a local community group asking for any cups and saucers because she wanted to start doing afternoon teas (this woman locally was known from a rough family) and people accused her of trying to grift cups and saucers. I didn't know her as a pal but when I commented, "why the fuck would Marie want 80 cups and saucers? Get to fuck she's doing something nice" I was also given abuse for trying to steal. 🙄😂 Marie and I are friends now 🥰 carers will buy older people with dementia things like dolls or clothes and we often use our outside work connections to arrange things for the residents.
(If anyone knows me IRL this won't surprise you but I once sent a local pub singer a picture of my boobs so he'd come into the home I worked on mu favourite residents birthday and sing to her. That was pre 4 kids 😂 carers going above and beyond!)

If someone is dying past our shift times and we've been sat with someone long enough we can't just leave them mid death if they've become attached to our presence. I've had staff members not on shift do MY dc school pick up so I can stay unpaid, to stroke a man's hair and pray with him to a god I don't believe in and give as much comfort as I can in his last hours for no payment to still be treated as a benefit scrounger because I got tax credits.
Not just dying or old people, say if you're working with autistic or learning disabilities and there is a disco (god love my clients, they've often loved a good disco!) And staff are too stretched to take them, say a few other clients are unwell, often a off shift staff member will pop in and take the client so they dint miss out. Again, unpaid often if staff is full, just busy.

Unsociable hours means are colleagues are our friends or even partners but sometimes we still have to complain about them or carry them if they're crap at their job. And some carers don't like dealing with poo. It's never fun to work with them.

If one resident becomes attached to one staff member they may become difficult for other staff, one lady wouldn't use the toilet unless it was either myself or another lass taking her, so we made sure we didn't take annual leave over the same weeks of summer and as I lived about 5 minutes walk away from the place, if the other lass wasn't in and my client was blind with rage about the other staff, I'd pop in, as would the other lass and just take her to bed or the loo because even though it's highly unprofessional or classed as abuse even, the idea our resident with acute dementia would get an impacted bowel when we could help for all in all 20 minutes unpaid 3 times a week, was really nothing. But if at any point this residents daughter wanted to give us a bunch of flowers, we'd get into shit.

There is probably 100s more examples I could give and if anyone has family in care homes or need carers yourselves and have any questions please tag me or inbox me, I'm no longer working in homes but friends do so I can always find out latest rules etc.

I am the first to say, some carers are shitty humans. But so are teachers, scientists, lawyers, people.

On the whole, they're lovely and even if they have limited skills academically or seem "a bit rough", on the whole, they're giving Time, money and love to People who the rest of society couldn't give a shite about.

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk. I'll be here most likely on every carer post until I'm banned from boring the tits off you all x

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 13/12/2023 09:44

Absolutely!!

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 13/12/2023 09:47

TomeTome · 13/12/2023 08:36

If your granny put on lunch for your friends and one of them was overheard by the group saying “at least we got a free lunch” on leaving would you be happy? All this nonsense about who was or wasn’t working is just clouding the issue. The man was rude and he was rude at an event provided to make the other participants feel happy. What a dick.

Watch out, your self righteous halo is at risk of slipping what with you calling the carer a 'dick' for not being suitably grateful in his private conversation.

Lifeasiknowitisout · 13/12/2023 10:02

TomeTome · 13/12/2023 08:36

If your granny put on lunch for your friends and one of them was overheard by the group saying “at least we got a free lunch” on leaving would you be happy? All this nonsense about who was or wasn’t working is just clouding the issue. The man was rude and he was rude at an event provided to make the other participants feel happy. What a dick.

It’s not a group of friends

and over hearing one small sentence in a conversation gives no idea of context or what the conversation was.

It could be ‘I have loads of work to catch up on now, but we had a good time and it’s been worth it and at least we got a free lunch’

And why granny? You would be ok with if it was a 30 year old that put lunch on? You don’t think it’s rude then? That’s weird.

Spencer0220 · 13/12/2023 12:37

Lwrenagain · 13/12/2023 09:39

As resident MN povvo and pleb who has done care work I'm sorry if you've read this on my other posts before however I have read some comments here and I just would like to clarify a few things, having done agency care work also I've worked in over 100 care/residential homes over the years and if anyone is interested, I'd like to highlight this for you 💔

Carers are not only on minimum wage, but also skeleton crew, so often you'll find 3 carers to care for maybe 80 people between them. If it's night shift one carer will be preparing pots of potatoes and veg for the kitchen staff next morning. Not in every home but majority. That leaves 2 carers to shower, toilet, dress, settle and medicate huge numbers of people, often a few serious cases of dementia or other mental illness from one or two residents will dictate the time of one carer, leaving lions share to just one.

We're assaulted regularly from patients and will literally hug the same person who's just spat at us, punched or kicked us, once they're calmer and need reassuring they're okay now.

Care homes DO NOT provide toiletries. So across the board most carers SPEND THEIR OWN MONEY AND TIME stocking up their own bags with bodywashes, talc, sprays and other bits and pieces to make their residents smell clean. I've worked in some affluent care homes with residents used to some fancy toiletries to then be washed in homebargain shower gel because their family haven't provided them with hygiene products.

Often carers bring in things to donate. I remember about 10 years ago a staff member from one place I worked posted in a local community group asking for any cups and saucers because she wanted to start doing afternoon teas (this woman locally was known from a rough family) and people accused her of trying to grift cups and saucers. I didn't know her as a pal but when I commented, "why the fuck would Marie want 80 cups and saucers? Get to fuck she's doing something nice" I was also given abuse for trying to steal. 🙄😂 Marie and I are friends now 🥰 carers will buy older people with dementia things like dolls or clothes and we often use our outside work connections to arrange things for the residents.
(If anyone knows me IRL this won't surprise you but I once sent a local pub singer a picture of my boobs so he'd come into the home I worked on mu favourite residents birthday and sing to her. That was pre 4 kids 😂 carers going above and beyond!)

If someone is dying past our shift times and we've been sat with someone long enough we can't just leave them mid death if they've become attached to our presence. I've had staff members not on shift do MY dc school pick up so I can stay unpaid, to stroke a man's hair and pray with him to a god I don't believe in and give as much comfort as I can in his last hours for no payment to still be treated as a benefit scrounger because I got tax credits.
Not just dying or old people, say if you're working with autistic or learning disabilities and there is a disco (god love my clients, they've often loved a good disco!) And staff are too stretched to take them, say a few other clients are unwell, often a off shift staff member will pop in and take the client so they dint miss out. Again, unpaid often if staff is full, just busy.

Unsociable hours means are colleagues are our friends or even partners but sometimes we still have to complain about them or carry them if they're crap at their job. And some carers don't like dealing with poo. It's never fun to work with them.

If one resident becomes attached to one staff member they may become difficult for other staff, one lady wouldn't use the toilet unless it was either myself or another lass taking her, so we made sure we didn't take annual leave over the same weeks of summer and as I lived about 5 minutes walk away from the place, if the other lass wasn't in and my client was blind with rage about the other staff, I'd pop in, as would the other lass and just take her to bed or the loo because even though it's highly unprofessional or classed as abuse even, the idea our resident with acute dementia would get an impacted bowel when we could help for all in all 20 minutes unpaid 3 times a week, was really nothing. But if at any point this residents daughter wanted to give us a bunch of flowers, we'd get into shit.

There is probably 100s more examples I could give and if anyone has family in care homes or need carers yourselves and have any questions please tag me or inbox me, I'm no longer working in homes but friends do so I can always find out latest rules etc.

I am the first to say, some carers are shitty humans. But so are teachers, scientists, lawyers, people.

On the whole, they're lovely and even if they have limited skills academically or seem "a bit rough", on the whole, they're giving Time, money and love to People who the rest of society couldn't give a shite about.

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk. I'll be here most likely on every carer post until I'm banned from boring the tits off you all x

As someone who has relied on carers to live, thank you for all you do.

I knew care was rough as a job, but this is enlightening