Blazing row about Michael Jackson

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I know it sounds ridiculous on the face of it but hear me out.

I was in a shop with DP last night and they were playing Michael Jackson music. I commented that I don't like hearing his music as I can't get past everything he did. Yes, I know he wasn't convicted but he openly admitted to sleeping in bed with random children, showering together and whatever else.

DP said "we have different opinions on that, he's a really good artist" to which I replied something about Rolph Harris being a good artist and Jimmy Saville being a good fund raiser.

DP then goes on to say he doesn't think MJ did anything untoward with the children and he thinks it's all innocent and because he had a "childlike mind" due to not having a proper childhood.

I said that was no excuse and plenty of people have bad or unusual childhoods and don't groom children.

He was getting defensive and talking about how he was found not guilty in court, to which I pointed out how few rape and sexual abuse cases even make it to court let alone conviction.

I asked whether he'd listened to anything the men on Leaving Neverland said before he formed his opinion that MJ wasn't guilty of anything. He said no, and refused to look it up.

It descended into a row and I was very hurt by some of the things he said, as I have a history of child sexual abuse and rape - which he knows all about.

I asked him whether he would have gladly left our DS in the company of someone like MJ unsupervised and he took a while to answer before saying "I don't know"

I said how that concerned me from a safeguarding perspective to which he took huge offence, started shouting and told me to return all of the presents i'd bought him as he doesnt want them anymore, the immature dickhead.

Now we're not talking.

Was I being unreasonable here?

It's so awful, the nasty way Jackson fans speak about the boys/men who report having suffered sexual abuse at his hands.

It is a matter of public record and his own admission that Jackson was emotionally abusive towards children. The bed sharing, cuddling, having them as a special friend who went everywhere with him including on tour. Then the child falling out of favour when they got too old.

Jackson just used people for his own ends. He was the same with animals as well, see the chimpanzees he kept as pets.

He put himself in the perfect position to sexually abuse these children and continued with these behaviours even after multiple accusations had been made. I believe them. What they say fits completely with his pattern of behaviour.

He didn't. After 1993 he never stayed alone with children, not even his family and friends such as his neices, nephews and Culkin, Barnes etc.

He always had others there for this very reason and this was shown in court. It was smart in the way it was always going to give him witnesses and evidence where it would matter in a legal case be it civil or criminal, but naieve in the fact that he should have just fucked everybody off completely and have them stay in other rooms. I understand why he continued to have everybody stay in his quarters as they were spread over 2 floors and 2000sq ft and the place was always busy with people, but for me after going through that, I don't know if I would have felt the same.

He should have just got council for his childhood trauma. Recreating it was sweet and did so much good for thousands of others but look at what it cost him.

The actual legal filings and police reports of the people involved.

June said in court in 2005 that she hadn't seen or spoken to Jordan in over 10 years. The transcripts are all available.

In one version, yes. In the others, no.

They seem to have given up on trying to get money out of Jackson himself and have now moved on to the companies. Funny that.
Not sure how a company created in 1991 would be responsible for abuse in 1988 but I'm sure they'll have a good go at making it fit. Even if they have changed their lawyers and gone with 'no win no fee' bods now 🤣

Still, nothing aimed at any of the studio staff, ranch staff or any of the various assistants, managers, store staff, Pepsi heads or anybody else they have inadvertently named as enablers. Again, funny that.

I feel that way about R Kelly. It's so catchy but he's a known and admitted predator.

I don't listen to him anymore especially as he's alive and I don't want him profiting.

But when it's on in a shop I find myself humming. It's my teen years before it all happened when I hear it.

He was a local legend for us where I'm from- until he wasn't. 😞

Actually there’s 8 accusers. How many do you need to believe someone is a pedophile? Genuine question.

There's no set number. Just has to be stories that don't fall apart with the most basic of fact checking and that keep changing whenever they're pulled up on things.
It doesn't happen with anybody else, why Jackson. Could it because over 10 years of trying for what they thought would be a quick pay off they have now got tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees on top of the mess they were already in when they started it?

And also you clearly don’t understand how film making works. There are many drafts (or versions as you call it) before the Final Cut. The first draft being very long (I believe LN was nearly a six hour documentary) and they have to cut it down.

Exactly. Leaving Neverland is a film, it's in no way a documentary as it is supposed to be and has been marketed as because it fails at every single step of the guidelines for accepted documentary making.
Out of the 4hrs there is only about 28 minutes of actual interviews. The rest is all drone shots and recycled footage which is probably why it was pulled apart so quickly - not much to actually go through. There should not be drafts of interviews of your own abuse, and you shouldn't need prompting to change your wording when telling your story from behind the camera.

There should also most definitely not be a completely different version in your story to what you have already told in your legal filings, complaints, deposition and declaration that were running in the courts at the exact same time.

I especially loved how when a problem with the narrative was pointed out, rather than address it they just edited it out before the next countries premier and pretended there was nothing to see here 🤣

Yes, the source is a film called leaving neverland. Compare what is said there to their own legal filings over the years. Especially the version that was running at the exact same time they started filming leaving neverland.

All the information is available to the general public so can be compared. Im not sure if the case numbers change however for each version or if it all follows the one for each bloke. Robson's 2017 deposition is actual available on video too.

Jackson's own schedule is also documented for cross referencing with anything necessary.

He didn’t invite boys for sleepovers. The people there were all family friends and he was never alone with them after the first allegations. His witnesses helped in a legal sense, but not in the media admittedly but more importantly, why are people always saying just young boys sleeping over? Why is everybody conveniently leaving out the fact that men, woman, boys, girls and staff including their families as well were at these things too.

Painting a false narrative isn’t helping real potential victims.

I just think the allegations should be what is focused on not that he had boys stay over-it's not illegal in and of itself

No it’s not - but sexually abusing boys in a bed is. Which is what at least 4 children said he did. 2 went to the police. If it was Asda Dave being accused by 4 little boys what would you think?

I don't know that he dropped the kids

Of course he did! We all saw the revolving door of boys! Robson didn’t have a Neverland wedding. And “stabbing in the back” - what? They were kids! Certainly didn’t put the nonce off taking in more children

Let me ask this then - why do you think he befriended only little boys in the first place? Why did he walk around holding their hands while they dressed like him? How can you justify that?

Did you stay best friends with everyone you knew from childhood?

Actually yes. But I didn’t make friends with weird grown men who’d been accused of CSA numerous times. Nor do I now, as an almost 40yo, keep children as little friends. Do you?

Once people are hard up for money, they can turn on you a la Wade.

Wade Robson was sexually abused by Jackson. He ‘turned on him’ because of that.

I actually can’t believe apologists are ignoring the glaringly obvious evidence of the world’s most prolific pedophile, the MANY allegations, compelling stories and shocking behaviour - and have decided he’s innocent because <checks notes> his accuser blinks slowly.

Please I beg you never ever go within 50 metres of a child - you aren’t a safe person for them to be around

This tale of Jesus juice was debunked in court

Wrong

I do not think that word means what you think it means A defence team stating “You can’t PROVE he calls it Jesus Juice” is not debunking. But it wasn’t just his victims who claimed this - his staff did too. Or are they all just out to get him? What do you think makes Jackson such a perpetual victim of liars?? No other star ever had to endure this.

If anybody was asleep in your bed would you struggle to not molest them?

I would not struggle because I’m not a pedophile I like Jackson. But I wouldn’t invite children I barely know to sleep in my bed. Because I’m not a pedophile. Unlike Jackson.

If yes, stay away from woman and children.

I think YOU need to stay away from children.

I'm assuming only MJ is a paeod for having kids in his bed, and Liz Taylor, Oprah, Miko Brando, Kit Culkin, Joy Robson and many African and travelling families who do it are not, yeah?

They are if they sexually abuse them, like Jackson did. HTH.

And TBH I have no clue why a non-pedo would EVER even dream of sharing a bed with a little boy who isn’t their child. Can you?

Wow you really are special aren’t you.

So the fact he also had “Boys will be boys”, “In search of Young beauty” and “The boy, a photographic essay” means nothing to you? What does having a female form book have to do with it? You know a man can have relationships and admiration for women and ALSO be a pedophile, right?

FACTS TRUMP OPINION 100% OF THE TIME 😉*

Finally we agree - but you’re the only one muddling them up, because you’ve provided NO factual evidence for any of the apologist shite you’re spewing.

Why can’t you just accept the fact he’s a pedophile? Why is that so hard for you? You like his music THAT much?

The victims have named who sorry?

Ive already asked you to give proof of the maid and staff admitting to lying. And you haven’t. Funny that.

Source?

Whos June?

Sadly they can’t get money out of Jackson because the statute of limitations applies in a backwards America that protects zygotes but not children.

They want his record companies to be held accountable - and too right as well. Schools, churches and scout groups all have safeguarding legislation - if record companies are involved with little kids and giving them access to nonces then they should absolutely be held to the same standards. There are people who know what happened to Jackson’s victims and they 100% should be held accountable.

And for you nonce lovers - it might be helpful to brush up on the law. Jackson is dead, and his victims cannot jail a record company. Suing in a civil case is the only legal regress they now have available. It’s the only route to justice.

I can’t believe there’s still so many defenders of a plain and obvious prolific child abuser.

I could just about fathom people not being entirely convinced of his guilt, but being 100% that all of the allegations are false? Deeply disturbing.

There's no set number. Just has to be stories that don't fall apart with the most basic of fact checking and that keep changing whenever they're pulled up on things.

Who changed what exactly?

And if your bottom line is to get a traumatised adult to perfectly recount dates, times and facts right every time, then you literally believe all CSA victims are liars.

It doesn't happen with anybody else, why Jackson. Could it because over 10 years of trying for what they thought would be a quick pay off they have now got tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees on top of the mess they were already in when they started it?

Or…because it’s true and he’s a nonce?

Leaving Neverland is a film, it's in no way a documentary

What? Of course it’s a documentary.

as it is supposed to be and has been marketed as because it fails at every single step of the guidelines for accepted documentary making.

Such as?

Out of the 4hrs there is only about 28 minutes of actual interviews.

Source? Because I have it on now I’m 90 minutes in and they’ve all been talking constantly.

If you’re gonna lie make it a good one.

The rest is all drone shots and recycled footage which is probably why it was pulled apart so quickly

Or because that’s a typical method to break up dialogue with something visual to feast on. Very normal in documentary making?

There should not be drafts of interviews of your own abuse

What do you mean? Why wouldn’t the victims prepare what they gonna say?

you shouldn't need prompting to change your wording when telling your story from behind the camera.

Can you be more specific? I’ve seen nothing like this. Conspiracy theorist shite from thick fuck Jackson fans more like

I’ve compared. No contradictions. Maybe you’d be so kind as to point them out?

He didn’t invite boys for sleepovers.

Im gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and pretend this is true.

So what - he still allowed little boys in his bed. Because he was a nonce. Do you think he had no day in this and was forced to share a bed with little boys? If so by who?

The people there were all family friends and he was never alone with them after the first allegations.

Wrong about the last part but the first part is exactly the problem - he made friends with little boys. What kind of safe grown man does that?

Why is everybody conveniently leaving out the fact that men, woman, boys, girls and staff including their families as well were at these things too.

Because he didn’t rape those people

Painting a false narrative isn’t helping real potential victims.

Agree. Poor Jackson’s victims I hope they don’t read this fucking abomination of a thread

I’m still reeling from “He just couldn’t have sent the little boys to sleep in another room that’s naive”

We need the Instagram red flag man on this thread

To the Jackson fans - what do you make of Jordy Chandler - a boy who later accused Jackson of molestation - of sitting in the centre of Jackson’s crotch at an awards ceremony while they sing together? What’s your justification for that? Even if you take the “reclaiming his childhood” line - how many 13yo boys do you know who sit with their bums in their friend’s crotches?

Id really like to know.

If also love just ONE person to answer the Dave from Asda question

Or tell us if you believe him when he said he had no plastic surgery. A man who, at the time of saying that, looked like this. Do you think he was telling the truth?