Really regretting getting the Covid jab (warning pity party)

[FlemCandango]

I had my COVID vaccination on Saturday. I have had all the available boosters since lockdown as I have had some health issues that put me in a "slightly vulnerable to COVID" category.

Went to local chemist had the jab and a charity shop mooch, then came home all fine. 10-12 hours later I start feeling ropey. I know I might be in for a rough night as I have been known to react badly. So I had violent chills, followed by feverishness, crazy fever dreams, headache untouched by paracetamol, couldn't get out of bed for a wee without help, joint pain, nausea, loss of appetite ... This went on for 24 hours. I was still a wreck on Monday, so day off work, Tuesday tired but felt better and felt normal by the evening. I expected to be back at work today.

Then in the middle of the night, chills again I was shivering violently, headache returned plus sore throat and a cough. Most likely an opportunistic virus 🦠 but I am wondering why I put myself through all this🙄

Not sure if the net benefit outweighs the massively inconvenient time off work and feeling like shit-ness of it all.

I will think hard before taking the next booster if offered. I have the flu jab every year - never any issues with that one.

I'm a front line worker, I'm not sure if I've ever had covid but have been around it most days through working with infected patients during the pandemic. Plus the children have all had covid and they have all needed bed sharing etc when poorly.

I'm very rarely ill generally(touches wood) but I've had 3 covid vaccines and was very poorly after each one. A huge immune response with rigours.

I've been called up for another booster and I am debating whether to not have it as I'm too busy to be ill with side effects!

Yes, gosh, that's hilarious. It was a cesspit on here particularly.

@Jumpingthruhoops

Funnily enough, many said this would happen too... that when those who'd had the jab DID start talking about vax injuries, people like me would be slated for 'not saying enough' 🙄 Which is pretty much what you've just done. So thanks for that. 👍

You stated something quite inflammatory - that the press was effectively gagged during Covid and couldn't criticise anything to do with the Government's action's on Covid. However, you haven't backed this claim up with any source whatsoever. This is the issue.

But that's the thing, I don't have to 'back up' anything, least of all to strangers on the internet. I commented on something I know about; people can choose to believe me or not.

I do find all this 'where's your evidence?' rhetoric somewhat baffling. If I come across information/data/statistics I haven't heard before, if I want to know more/where it came from, I do my own research. I don't ask for evidence, I seek out the evidence myself.

Let's be honest, you and I both know that I could present you with the moon on a stick - you'd still find something to take issue with, for the simple fact that you wouldn't want to believe it's true.

In much the same way that people on this thread are being told that their side effects/ill health is 'a coincidence' - because people don't want to admit that it's the thing they don't want it to be.

What is your problem? Grow up!

Not sure why I've bothered but here's a link from Ofcom's website re: broadcasting standards. Took me all of 10 seconds to find.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-and-on-demand/information-for-industry/guidance/broadcast-standards-and-coronavirus

There's lots here including details on actions they have taken. In relation to Mark Steyn, on one occasion he interviewed the widow of a man who died following AZ (Coroner's report confirmed).
This is what 'flagged' him to the sensors - it literally says on the above document 'If broadcasters include potentially harmful material in their programming, they must ensure they provide adequate protection for the audience from such material.'

Have a read. Hope it's useful.

Thanks for posting this. I've had a read through and, quite honestly, cannot see a problem. I can't see the 'gagging' you mention. I do see guidelines - reasonable ones - and if you don't understand why they might be required, particularly in a pandemic environment, then you don't work in media.

I'm surprised there isn't more breaches, actually. That David Icke one illustrates the point well.

*Not sure why I've bothered but here's a link from Ofcom's website re: broadcasting standards. Took me all of 10 seconds to find.

@Jumpingthruhoops*

Cheers but I I read it when you first mentioned it yesterday. Your description of what are basic guidelines - is pretty hilarious.

But drama! I suppose.

@Jumpingthruhoops

This is what 'flagged' him to the sensors

And - 'sensors'? When you say you "work in the industry", what is it you do exactly?

The PIL gives information in the format of “now you’ve had the jab, here’s how to manage it”.

I am almost impressed at how medical conspiracy theorists can manage to say one day that doctors are lying about the causes of death in Covid cases and turn on their heel to maintain that it’s DEFINITELY the vaccine when something goes wrong at the same time. Complete cognitive dissonance to maintain the fictions they want to believe in. Like every medical treatment, vaccines sometimes have side effects. Most adults understand this.

I wonder what all of you would do if something like Spanish flu came back and scientists somehow managed to cobble together a vaccine? It probably wouldn’t be as rigorously tested and might cause issues in a small number of people (beyond what is basically less than a week of flu-like symptoms) but you’d have people dropping like flies in front of you. Would you get on your high horse about how the vaccine isn’t perfect and it sometimes causes adverse reactions?

There was an obviously huge incentive for politicians to extol the virtues of the vaccines and how it would solve everything. They exaggerated. This is NOT new for this government. Doesn’t mean the vaccine wasn’t and isn’t overall a positive. “Herd immunity”, while it’s not what Johnson or Cummings would define it as, is real. Sometimes we could really do better in terms of considering others as well as ourselves.

I don't understand those who had such faith in the vaccine, can't they see we're all just human guinea pigs for it? I mean isn't that just blatantly obvious. Science is also about seeing the effects, 'in the wild' is it not?

Fair enough, taking it as a desperate measure or for the good of others, get back to normal but what really pisses me off is the misplaced confidence in it.

I was in a fortunate position to hold out against having it in spite of huge pressure and coercion, I held out and now the pressure's off.

I'm glad I did. Condolences to those who weren't able to be so lucky.

We are only now beginning to see the effects this at best useless and at worst harmful vaccine has had.

If I come across information/data/statistics I haven't heard before, if I want to know more/where it came from, I do my own research. I don't ask for evidence, I seek out the evidence myself

Bingo!

We are only now beginning to see the effects this at best useless and at worst harmful vaccine has had

Why do we no longer have hundreds of people dying of covid every day?

I remember when all us "sheeple" who had the vaccine were told we would be dead in a year. But the vast majority of us are still here and uninjured.

@Carmargo nobody is saying the vaccine is perfect. Nobody is saying there are no side effects. But if you think about it in the most hard-headed, cynical way - governments want a healthy population who they are popular with because they’re not locking them up in houses. Scientists don’t want to produce drugs which will harm people too much because they want to sell drugs to aforementioned governments.

When there’s a sometimes deadly, often life-limiting pandemic going on it’s not about getting back to normal. It’s about retaining as much normality and preserving life and health for as many people as we can. We may never get back to normal. The Covid pandemic is just the first of what may be infinitely worse pandemics in the future.

Also, has it occurred to you that the scientists who worked their arses off to design a vaccine may have been basing their decisions on decades of research and experience and probably don’t want their employers to be exposed to millions of pounds of liability?

Sorry, but anti-vaccine rhetoric makes me so angry. I’ve actually died twice while on dialysis - thankfully in an ICU where they could pump me full of adrenaline and restart my heart. Do I wish they hadn’t performed the overall life-saving treatment? Absolutely not. If you wanted people to be honest about the vaccine, you shouldn’t have listened to politicians waffling on about stuff like getting back to normal.

Those of us who did speak up and who were loudly condemned, insulted, ridiculed and ignored are now being told we weren't loud enough - someone has just done exactly that on this thread.

Nope didn't say you weren't loud enough.
Just not credible enough. Different.

You didn't see the ridicule, insults, and condemnation of people who were pro vax on SM? It went both ways. Don't tell me it didn't.

People like you have conveniently forgotten the whole sheeple, guinea pig, genetic experiment, deriding of 'lazy' hospital workers, can't think for yourself, insulting that went on.

Because most people just had the vaccine and got on with their lives. So now you have to take up this " people were so nasty to us "" stance.

Just like you call guide lines "gagging".
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Let's be honest, you and I both know that I could present you with the moon on a stick - you'd still find something to take issue with, for the simple fact that you wouldn't want to believe it's true. m

Because only you look at facts and data and other people just blindly believe what they want of course. OK.

In much the same way that people on this thread are being told that their side effects/ill health is 'a coincidence' - because people don't want to admit that it's the thing they don't want it to be.

Once again people who take a different view couldn't possibly have got there rationally.

Dear me.

My first two jabs were Astra Zeneca and I was fine. My third was Moderna which made me feel rough for 24 hours. I then had covid a month later which just felt like a bad cold. My recent booster was Pfizer and I was fine.

There are conditions for media self censorship over conflict of interest. For example:

The chair of the Thomson Reuters Foundation sits on the board of Pfizer: https://www.pfizer.com/people/leadership/board_of_directors/james_smith

There has been significant sponsorship of sporting events, payments to sports persons and celebrities: https://www.usopen.org/en_US/about/sponsors/moderna.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna119888

Research funding and payments to doctors increased massively in 2022. Recipients are amongst those quoted as expert sources. https://openpaymentsdata.cms.gov/company/100000000286

There has been a long running debate on media funding and associated information distortion/conflict of interest:
https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants/2020/09/inv017377
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/about/funding#:~:text=Our%20significant%20donors%20include%20the,Affairs%20Canada%2C%20and%20many%20others.

Blimey this thread really got heated. I posted because I felt like poo and was pissed off about that.

I do react badly to the COVID vaccine. I have had all available boosters and it has been rough every time. The most horrific fever dreams I have ever had, complete inability to move etc like having flu in fast forward. This time round the post vaccination symptoms have lasted longer than previous so there must be a virus as well.

I would be lying if I said the latest vaccination experience has not put me off. Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different outcome is madness. I have been ill every time I get COVID vaxxed, I have had COVID once and it was hideous but I got over it. I know that the protection I got from vaccination will have helped with that. I will weigh up the pros and cons, the impact on work and home and decide next year if I get offered the jab. It will be a decision unaffected by the frothers on either side of the vaccination debate.

Generally I am firmly pro vaccination, dismayed by the impact of the autism panic (parent of 2 amazing young people with an autism diagnosis). So I hope my post did not feed into the vaccination debate loopiness.

I just want to say (vaccine injured and pro vax), there was a massive sub on Reddit about vaccine injury. There were about 10,000 people on it. It was taken down by Reddit.

This is Reddit which lets incels etc post. When l was first injured in 2021 talking about vaccine injury was almost like heresy. It is becoming more open now.

Brianna Dresen was injured in the first AZ trials. They then dropped her from the trial. She suffered a severe neurological reaction, which is what most of these ignored injuries are. There is acceptance of heart and blood clotting injuries. But a vaccine that actually gives you the symptoms it’s supposed to stop is too weird. And too open to anti vaxxers

I HATE all the anti vax shit. Loathe it. Even writing these things makes me uncomfortable but they are true. Why do l feel uncomfortable? Because some idiot will immediately jump on saying ‘told you so’

I reported all my symptoms to the yellow card. When ever l logged onto my account my details had disappeared. I contacted them and they would reappear for a month and then disappear again. This happened 4 times. I don’t know the current status, I’m tired of fighting to keep my details open.

A vaccine injury group I’m in has another dormant account ready for us to migrate to. Facebook have tried to shut the account down.

l lay the blame of this at the feet of the anti vaxers. They are so rabid and aggressive that they have effectively silenced the people who are suffering, and gagging the people who can help them.

I loathe all the Bigpharma/Bill Gates shit, and the ‘vaccine is harmful’ bollocks. It stops people like me getting the help we need. It’s this AND the fear of being forced to make huge payouts which is keeping stuff quiet.

I know we all signed the waiver, but l can’t remember ever seeing the potential side effects written down. When l did find them, l found my injury amongst them. So l applied for the VDP. I used the top London solicitor who is bringing the AZ trial to court. He doubted I’d get the VDP.

Because the people who were going to die from it have died.
It is not a lineal progression in the sense that hundreds of people will continue to die everyday.

Who knows what the long terms effects are?

What really pissed me off is the arrogance of the pro-vaxxers who were/are cocksure it was safe.

Rabbiting on about science when any real scientist knows that the research on a medicine doesn't stop once it is given. It continues when people actually have it.

It's the f-ing arrogance that gets me.

Take the shit because you hope it is OK by all means but don't tell me it is safe.

Bloody hell @ArseInTheCoOpWindow that is appalling. Trying to shut down real discussion of the actual injuries people have experienced is very much not on and a different kettle of fish to shutting down the Bill Gates is evil mob and their ilk.

I can totally believe that there is suppression happening. While I am grateful for the vaccine, I know first hand how utterly ruthless the pharma industry can be.

Carmargo as lots of people (me included) have acknowledged on this thread, no medicine is completely safe.

If we only ever took medication that we knew 100% would do us no harm, we would never take anything.

I think you need to read ArseInTheCoOpWindow's posts carefully and understand the harm that anti-vaxxers are causing to those who are vaccine injured and how anti-vaxxers are actually enabling the shut down of discussions that need to be had.

Then the cause is championed by dicks like Bridgen and Chopes who have their own agenda and are generally pretty vile men. Although Chopes has been trying to get amendments to the crap vaccine damages payment scheme.

Stuff has been taken off YouTube too and Twitter closed stuff down ( before Musk, don’t know what’s happening now)

*Rabbiting on about science when any real scientist knows that the research on a medicine doesn't stop once it is given. It continues when people actually have it.

It's the f-ing arrogance that gets me.

Take the shit because you hope it is OK by all means but don't tell me it is safe.*

@Carmargo

Of course the science continues. God who says it didn't? Of course things change over time. Knowledge is always changing.

Its the arrogance of people who rabbit on against the consensus of science opinion that gets me. People without a dot of qualification except a degree in " doing their own research on google " Now there's arrogance.

Get the impression it's a pisser to some people that billions had the CV and then continued as normal contrary to their opinion. How cocksure is that ?

You get the impression that some would welcome widespread problems.