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What’s expected to happen if Labour wins the next election?

265 replies

User5512 · 26/11/2023 15:36

What changes do we “normal people” expect to see? Better nhs? More taxes?

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Fieldofbrokenpromises · 26/11/2023 21:40

NHS Budget is bigger than it's ever been

Yeah, so is the tax burden and my gas bill; the house isn't any warmer.

Nanalisa60 · 26/11/2023 21:45

Nothing will change , We will all still be like mushrooms feed shit and left In the dark!! The county is failing, the rich will get richer the poor get poorer, the middle classes will struggle.

Unless You are left family money the next generation will have a hard time. The golden age of the U.K. has long gone.

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 21:45

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 26/11/2023 21:40

NHS Budget is bigger than it's ever been

Yeah, so is the tax burden and my gas bill; the house isn't any warmer.

Weak, very weak.

Do you expect energy to get cheaper and your tax bill to fall under Labour? Since they’re unlikely to do the sensible thing and burn cheap fossil fuel, and seem to encourage a belief in greater public spending, I doubt you do.

I can see respectable arguments for increasing tax and shifting the burden around, but let’s at least be honest about the cost.

Snowjive2 · 26/11/2023 21:45

Just leaving this here…you need to click on the image to see title and source

What’s expected to happen if Labour wins the next election?
WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 21:46

Snowjive2 · 26/11/2023 21:45

Just leaving this here…you need to click on the image to see title and source

See the Full Fact article for why these claims are dubious.

BIossomtoes · 26/11/2023 21:47

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 21:46

See the Full Fact article for why these claims are dubious.

See the King’s Fund report.

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 21:55

BIossomtoes · 26/11/2023 21:47

See the King’s Fund report.

I have. Full Fact’s much more reliable.

At the very least, though, Labour’s claims are strongly debatable. It’s not the good v bad you’d like to suppose. Far from it.

Next you’ll be saying that the Tories sanctioned the ULEZ expansion. 🙄

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 26/11/2023 21:58

Weak, very weak
Ha ha what a fucking laugh - blandly stating that the NHS Budget is higher than ever is just about the most piss-weak context-free meaningless drivel there is - so don't start that with your "weak" drivel.

BIossomtoes · 26/11/2023 21:59

Has Full Facts got a Royal Charter and been the acknowledged authority on healthcare for over 100 years?

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 22:00

Yet more Labour fakery. Even the Mayor’s office says it’s bollocks:

“A spokesperson for the Mayor similarly confirmed to Full Fact that the government did not specify any particular further expansion to the ULEZ in its 2020 funding letter.”

https://fullfact.org/online/ulez-expansion-letter/

Government funding agreement did not force Sadiq Khan to extend ULEZ to cover all of Greater London - Full Fact

A letter published in 2020 is circulating on social media as evidence that the proposed ULEZ expansion was ordered by the government.

https://fullfact.org/online/ulez-expansion-letter/

anotherside · 26/11/2023 22:01

Hilarious how the Tories have been serving up shit sandwiches for 13 years and yet significant portions of the Great British Public are still begging for more! Oh well, sadly they will be disappointed and they’ll have to all be carefully wrapped up and put in the fridge with BoJo the Clown for a few years.

2kool4skool · 26/11/2023 22:02

Well our eldest is starting Y7 in September. We are leaving private for state school due to the VAT. Pay more than enough tax already! That and fees up 20% already this year anyway. Youngest will follow at Y7 too.

so that’s 2 state places my kids will take and 2 other kids won’t get into that (v good) local school now. Well done Labour 👏

Pumpkinpie1 · 26/11/2023 22:02

It depends what is left in the countries coffers after the ConParty and their mates have finished. We have had 12 years of incompetent short term government that will take years to undo
But at least will will have a Labour Party who actually works for the people instead of lining their own pockets

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 22:03

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 26/11/2023 21:58

Weak, very weak
Ha ha what a fucking laugh - blandly stating that the NHS Budget is higher than ever is just about the most piss-weak context-free meaningless drivel there is - so don't start that with your "weak" drivel.

Er, ok. So how will Labour improve the NHS then?

Dymaxion · 26/11/2023 22:04

Part of me would like the Conservatives to win one more term, not because I think they will improve things, they won't, but because it will leave no doubt, in the vast majority of voters minds, who is responsible for the awful state the UK is in.

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 26/11/2023 22:06

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 22:03

Er, ok. So how will Labour improve the NHS then?

Are you Laura Trott?

MarmaladeMaggie · 26/11/2023 22:06

And I hope they will bring back Sure Start.

Yes, all those middle class mummies really do miss it!

BIossomtoes · 26/11/2023 22:07

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 22:03

Er, ok. So how will Labour improve the NHS then?

They’ve got a pretty good template from the last time they did it. They’ll have to take reform a lot further though and make it impossible for the Tories to ever fuck it up again.

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 26/11/2023 22:07

Dymaxion · 26/11/2023 22:04

Part of me would like the Conservatives to win one more term, not because I think they will improve things, they won't, but because it will leave no doubt, in the vast majority of voters minds, who is responsible for the awful state the UK is in.

Unfortunately there would still be significant numbers of Mail readers blaming Labour.

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 22:09

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 26/11/2023 22:06

Are you Laura Trott?

No. Are you Richard Burgon?

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 22:09

BIossomtoes · 26/11/2023 22:07

They’ve got a pretty good template from the last time they did it. They’ll have to take reform a lot further though and make it impossible for the Tories to ever fuck it up again.

What reform? Trust status?

BIossomtoes · 26/11/2023 22:11

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 22:09

What reform? Trust status?

I knew you hadn’t bothered to read the King’s Fund report.

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 22:15

BIossomtoes · 26/11/2023 22:11

I knew you hadn’t bothered to read the King’s Fund report.

As it happens I’d already read it. It was wheeled out in a thread quite recently.

Did you read the Full Fact on ULEZ? Are you willing to back down?

1dayatatime · 26/11/2023 22:17

When UK debt sits at £2.6 trillion meaning that Government is now spending more on just the interest payments on this debt than they are spending on education means that there is very little that Labour are able to do when they come to power.

Unfortunately I think a large number of people have unrealistic expectations of what Labour will deliver when in power and will unfairly blame them when these expectations are not met.

How much money is the UK government borrowing, and does it matter? www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50504151

What’s expected to happen if Labour wins the next election?