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What’s expected to happen if Labour wins the next election?

265 replies

User5512 · 26/11/2023 15:36

What changes do we “normal people” expect to see? Better nhs? More taxes?

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DarkRainyNovember · 26/11/2023 20:50

I agree with @Validus

ntmdino · 26/11/2023 20:57

IvorTheEngineDriver · 26/11/2023 19:15

Sod all. Only political nerds and Guardian readers believe that changing political parties makes any difference to the state of the country.

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Well, it did last time. It took a few years before it was noticeable, but...surely you've noticed the NHS getting worse? The roads falling apart? The reduction in local authority services? The local authorities going bankrupt? Increasing numbers of people unable to afford heating and food?

It takes years for differences in political parties to take hold; the whole point of term limits is that the electorate are supposed to figure out what's going on before one party can do too much damage. This time, though, everything was decided on the back of a single issue which the public were fooled into perceiving as more important than funding infrastructure and the basics (well, that and the Opposition being absolutely incompetent).

The flip side of this is that there's no silver bullet for fixing it; redressing those issues generally takes twice as long as it took to create them, and that's if you're starting with a reasonably decent set of finances. As it is, if Labour take over, they're going to find the coffers empty and borrowing ridiculously expensive as our rating gets downgraded.

I very much doubt that they'll get more than one term to sort it out, though, because the electorate has the attention span and patience of a caffeinated gnat.

Best settle in for a couple of decades of rot, folks, because it's not going to get any better than this.

Radiatorlife · 26/11/2023 20:58

Absolutely nothing will change except they will spend even more money that the country doesn’t have and the country will be in even more debt. I’m dreading it.

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/11/2023 20:58

It will be interesting to see which parties benefit from the Tory demise. Reform are trying to poach Tory MPs atm.

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 21:00

ilovesooty · 26/11/2023 20:18

So there aren't any achievements then. Thanks for clarifying.

So you don’t think Labour politicians are more moral than anyone else. Good to be reassured.

Thanks for clarifying.

ilovesooty · 26/11/2023 21:01

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/11/2023 20:58

It will be interesting to see which parties benefit from the Tory demise. Reform are trying to poach Tory MPs atm.

Laura Trott is resorting to claiming that a vote for Reform is a vote for the Labour Party.

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 26/11/2023 21:03

Radiatorlife · 26/11/2023 20:58

Absolutely nothing will change except they will spend even more money that the country doesn’t have and the country will be in even more debt. I’m dreading it.

What utter bollocks.

BIossomtoes · 26/11/2023 21:05

ilovesooty · 26/11/2023 21:01

Laura Trott is resorting to claiming that a vote for Reform is a vote for the Labour Party.

😂

Aren’t Reform trying to get 30p Lee onside? He used to be Labour so maybe that’s what’s confused her.

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 26/11/2023 21:07

ilovesooty · 26/11/2023 21:01

Laura Trott is resorting to claiming that a vote for Reform is a vote for the Labour Party.

Laura Trott is busy making Helen Whately sound like Einstein.

OrangePeelLemonPeel · 26/11/2023 21:08

There is a glorious potential scenario in which Reform split the “right” vote, and become the natural home for disaffected Tory voters who can’t bring themselves to vote Labour. And the Tories get utterly annihilated.

I did see one poll that if it came to pass would leave the Tories on about 20 seats and the Lib Dems the official opposition.

Its not going to happen obviously, but we can but dream.

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 21:09

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 26/11/2023 21:03

What utter bollocks.

Why is it bollocks? Most sensible people would recognise that the Tories are shit, exhausted and need replacing. But the same sensible people recognise that Labour are no better, just different.

There’s nothing special about a party that were in power 13 years ago and were shit then. It’s just reasonable to sweep out the governing party from time to time.

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 21:10

OrangePeelLemonPeel · 26/11/2023 21:08

There is a glorious potential scenario in which Reform split the “right” vote, and become the natural home for disaffected Tory voters who can’t bring themselves to vote Labour. And the Tories get utterly annihilated.

I did see one poll that if it came to pass would leave the Tories on about 20 seats and the Lib Dems the official opposition.

Its not going to happen obviously, but we can but dream.

I think this will happen.

Londonrach1 · 26/11/2023 21:14

Nothing will change..same people in charge...just different names ..

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 26/11/2023 21:14

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 21:09

Why is it bollocks? Most sensible people would recognise that the Tories are shit, exhausted and need replacing. But the same sensible people recognise that Labour are no better, just different.

There’s nothing special about a party that were in power 13 years ago and were shit then. It’s just reasonable to sweep out the governing party from time to time.

Because you trotted out that tired old trope about Labour borrowing and spending - that's not been true for some time (if it ever was) and the ridiculous moral panic that the Tory sound bites have done about debt and borrowing, pretending it's like having a fucking credit card or an overdraft is just not how national finances work. In any case, if Labour aren't any better why would you be "dreading it"? It's ridiculous.

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 26/11/2023 21:16

Londonrach1 · 26/11/2023 21:14

Nothing will change..same people in charge...just different names ..

Who will be getting the yacht?

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 21:19

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 26/11/2023 21:14

Because you trotted out that tired old trope about Labour borrowing and spending - that's not been true for some time (if it ever was) and the ridiculous moral panic that the Tory sound bites have done about debt and borrowing, pretending it's like having a fucking credit card or an overdraft is just not how national finances work. In any case, if Labour aren't any better why would you be "dreading it"? It's ridiculous.

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I don’t think I did.

But in any case, if you want to say that Labour are financially prudent, how do you suppose they’ll ’save the NHS’, build more houses, give more to the disabled, elderly and out of work, recruit more police, improve school buildings and employ and retain more teachers, meet public sector pay demands etc etc?

BIossomtoes · 26/11/2023 21:20

I love the rewriting history that Labour were shit last time. There were 600k people on the inpatient waiting list in 2010, there are now nearly 8 million.

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 26/11/2023 21:21

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 21:19

I don’t think I did.

But in any case, if you want to say that Labour are financially prudent, how do you suppose they’ll ’save the NHS’, build more houses, give more to the disabled, elderly and out of work, recruit more police, improve school buildings and employ and retain more teachers, meet public sector pay demands etc etc?

Well by not buying their mates new yachts for a start.

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 26/11/2023 21:23

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 26/11/2023 21:07

Laura Trott is busy making Helen Whately sound like Einstein.

I have just seen her described as a stand-in for Philomena Cunk! - brilliant.

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 21:27

BIossomtoes · 26/11/2023 21:20

I love the rewriting history that Labour were shit last time. There were 600k people on the inpatient waiting list in 2010, there are now nearly 8 million.

And the NHS budget is bigger than it’s ever been.

Covid, maybe? Strikes, maybe?

And here’s some relatively independent fact checking that casts doubt on Labour cheerleaders’ claims about its stewardship of the NHS.

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 21:32

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 26/11/2023 21:21

Well by not buying their mates new yachts for a start.

Is this a reference to Mone?

Funny that. She’s being investigated, the government isn’t. And every challenge to government Covid contracts - and the campaigners picked the best cases to litigate, as they saw them - has completely failed.

I’m no fan of Hancock but he’s been completely vindicated in court, several times.

BIossomtoes · 26/11/2023 21:33

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 21:27

And the NHS budget is bigger than it’s ever been.

Covid, maybe? Strikes, maybe?

And here’s some relatively independent fact checking that casts doubt on Labour cheerleaders’ claims about its stewardship of the NHS.

Shit administration and wish to privatise, maybe?

Here’s the independent fact check from a highly respected source, with statistics and everything.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/sites/default/files/High-Performing-NHS-progress-review-1997-2010-Ruth-Thorlby-Jo-Maybin-Kings-Fund-April-2010.pdf

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/sites/default/files/High-Performing-NHS-progress-review-1997-2010-Ruth-Thorlby-Jo-Maybin-Kings-Fund-April-2010.pdf

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 21:33

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 21:27

And the NHS budget is bigger than it’s ever been.

Covid, maybe? Strikes, maybe?

And here’s some relatively independent fact checking that casts doubt on Labour cheerleaders’ claims about its stewardship of the NHS.

Sorry, missed this off:

https://fullfact.org/health/starmer-conference-waiting-lists-times/

Waiting lists can’t be compared through the whole history of the NHS - Full Fact

Last week Sir Keir Starmer claimed that Labour achieved the shortest waiting lists “in history”, while Wes Streeting said it had delivered the shortest waiting times.

https://fullfact.org/health/starmer-conference-waiting-lists-times/

Circularargument · 26/11/2023 21:35

TurningtheLightOff · 26/11/2023 15:55

Mostly the inability to have sex protected spaces or rights.

Ofgs. A) they haven't said any such thing indeed the exact opposite B) "mostly"??? There are a billion and one other urgent issues.
People here really are monomaniacal at times.

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 26/11/2023 21:37

I particularly like this part of the Full Fact report:

The shortest median waits recorded in this series are:

  • Admitted: 3.8 weeks, April 2020
  • Non-admitted: 3.5 weeks, February 2011
  • Still waiting: 5.1 weeks, February 2013

All three were during a period of Conservative-led government—although all three have risen overall since Conservative-led government began in 2010.

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