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To think that this government are at war with disabled people and always have been?

259 replies

MyopicBunny · 24/11/2023 20:20

I am assuming that the part of their UC that will be cut is the disabled element? Most people can’t even get this at all if you are disabled. The rules to receive it in the first place are extremely strict.

Why us nobody talking about this? Has our society now become brainwashed with the idea that it’s acceptable to call disabled people with significant needs benefit scroungers?

Why is it the most vulnerable being shat on from a great height, over and over??

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GirrlCrush · 24/11/2023 20:22

Yabu to assume we have all seen /read/know about whatever it is you are talking about!

When watching news events I've been more concerned when seeing footage from Gaza lately

XenoBitch · 24/11/2023 20:24

YANBU, but then a lot of people wont talk about it as it wont affect them.

It will affect me, and I am bloody terrified.

Overthebow · 24/11/2023 20:25

No idea what’s being cut, please can you explain?

BertieBotts · 24/11/2023 20:25

I haven't heard anything about this. But I'm worried it might affect my mum. Could you provide a link please?

HeddaGarbled · 24/11/2023 20:25

I think it’s more about appealing to the (substantial) “I got where I am through hard work” brigade and the multiple groups who are more vulnerable are collateral damage.

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MyopicBunny · 24/11/2023 20:29

Sorry, I've just posted a link to a news article that explains it.

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MyopicBunny · 24/11/2023 20:30

XenoBitch · 24/11/2023 20:24

YANBU, but then a lot of people wont talk about it as it wont affect them.

It will affect me, and I am bloody terrified.

I'm sorry to hear that @XenoBitch

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Overthebow · 24/11/2023 20:32

Isn’t that just saying that if you can work from home, then you should? And will get sanctioned if deemed able to work from home but refuse to do so? I’m not sure I’m seeing the problem, the article doesn’t explain it very well though.

CroftonWillow · 24/11/2023 20:35

I read a bbc article in the week that the % of successful benefits claimants has trebled since 2012. Obviously those who are unfit to work should continue to be supported until they are fit but when a figure changes so dramtically it needs to be reviewed.

GotMooMilk · 24/11/2023 20:35

I don’t truest the process or assessment at all so appreciate the fear but on principle the idea of supporting disabled people to access jobs they can do such as wfh which happens widely rather than write them off as unable to work at all is a good thing?
As long as not forcing people genuinely not able to to work being employed and working is hugely beneficial for almost everyone’s mental health.

MyopicBunny · 24/11/2023 20:35

@Overthebow people don't get disability benefits in the first place unless they have extremely significant needs. How can you just suddenly work from home if you never did in the first place?

This isn't a benefit I personally get even though I do have a disability but my daughter does get it. She is severely autistic and needs 2:1 24 hour a day care. She is non verbal.

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XenoBitch · 24/11/2023 20:37

Overthebow · 24/11/2023 20:32

Isn’t that just saying that if you can work from home, then you should? And will get sanctioned if deemed able to work from home but refuse to do so? I’m not sure I’m seeing the problem, the article doesn’t explain it very well though.

The "you must WFH" stuff is just one thing (plus where are these mythical entry level WFH jobs? And the mythical employers who will take on people who have been out the work force for years and have no transferable skills or experience)

There are plans to scrap the WCA and the higher rate of UC that disabled people get. The only people who will be able to claim it will be those on PIP (which is not mean tested, is not an out of work benefits, and is notoriously hard to get).

Whether someone is fit to work will be determined by work coaches, which are not medically trained at all.

MyopicBunny · 24/11/2023 20:37

CroftonWillow · 24/11/2023 20:35

I read a bbc article in the week that the % of successful benefits claimants has trebled since 2012. Obviously those who are unfit to work should continue to be supported until they are fit but when a figure changes so dramtically it needs to be reviewed.

I find that quite hard to believe. Everything has been repeatedly cut since 2010. What benefits though?

But there will be more people having to claim because of long Covid which genuinely leaves some people unable to get out of bed.

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FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 24/11/2023 20:38

The government - and a great many members of the public who are lucky enough not to be affected - just don't actually see disabled people as really, proper, normal people.

They won't admit this - or even think it consciously - but that's how their mind works.

And then, even worse than the people who ignore or other disabled folk, there are the ones who assume that their own personal life circumstances are the 'correct' and 'morally upright' ones, making anybody who experiences different life circumstances or levels of ability automatically lazy/bad/liars/shameful/blameworthy.

It's the 'acceptable' hate crime.

MyopicBunny · 24/11/2023 20:39

Thank you @blondieminx

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WishIwasElsa · 24/11/2023 20:41

I think people are worried about who will be deciding if their fit to work and secondly where all these jobs to work from home are.
Government appealing to those that believe the spin media puts on it all.

CroftonWillow · 24/11/2023 20:43

MyopicBunny · 24/11/2023 20:37

I find that quite hard to believe. Everything has been repeatedly cut since 2010. What benefits though?

But there will be more people having to claim because of long Covid which genuinely leaves some people unable to get out of bed.

This is the article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67385385

A woman rubs her shoulder whilst working at home

Welfare cuts worth billions planned by ministers

The changes, affecting hundreds of thousands of people from 2025, would save £4bn in welfare payments.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67385385

MyopicBunny · 24/11/2023 20:43

Exactly, the PIP assessments are already unfair. The assessors tell lies about people being able to walk across a car park when they couldn't. Most people only get PIP on appeal when doctors are the one who decide if you're eligible (much fairer).

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blondieminx · 24/11/2023 20:44

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 24/11/2023 20:38

The government - and a great many members of the public who are lucky enough not to be affected - just don't actually see disabled people as really, proper, normal people.

They won't admit this - or even think it consciously - but that's how their mind works.

And then, even worse than the people who ignore or other disabled folk, there are the ones who assume that their own personal life circumstances are the 'correct' and 'morally upright' ones, making anybody who experiences different life circumstances or levels of ability automatically lazy/bad/liars/shameful/blameworthy.

It's the 'acceptable' hate crime.

Exactly this and we’ve seen it worsen during Covid times.

TomatoSandwiches · 24/11/2023 20:45

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 24/11/2023 20:38

The government - and a great many members of the public who are lucky enough not to be affected - just don't actually see disabled people as really, proper, normal people.

They won't admit this - or even think it consciously - but that's how their mind works.

And then, even worse than the people who ignore or other disabled folk, there are the ones who assume that their own personal life circumstances are the 'correct' and 'morally upright' ones, making anybody who experiences different life circumstances or levels of ability automatically lazy/bad/liars/shameful/blameworthy.

It's the 'acceptable' hate crime.

All of this.

Disabled people are second class citizens, people want them eradicated, pick up where Nazi Germany left off.

MyopicBunny · 24/11/2023 20:46

@CroftonWillow I think it means that the number of people on the disabled element of UC has risen since 2012. But here's the thing, most people weren't even on UC until at least 2017. Looks like a manipulation of the data to me. Because it's essentially a new benefit that hadn't yet been rolled out for the majority.

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MyopicBunny · 24/11/2023 20:49

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 24/11/2023 20:38

The government - and a great many members of the public who are lucky enough not to be affected - just don't actually see disabled people as really, proper, normal people.

They won't admit this - or even think it consciously - but that's how their mind works.

And then, even worse than the people who ignore or other disabled folk, there are the ones who assume that their own personal life circumstances are the 'correct' and 'morally upright' ones, making anybody who experiences different life circumstances or levels of ability automatically lazy/bad/liars/shameful/blameworthy.

It's the 'acceptable' hate crime.

Yes, I think this is the truth. Unfortunately nobody is immune to disability or illness. It astounds me the lack of empathy that people have.

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coffeeaddict77 · 24/11/2023 20:53

It is hard to see that this policy will have much impact given that there are very few jobs which are totally work from home. They can say disabled people should apply to any that are advertised but as long as they do then then people won't be penalized.