To think that this government are at war with disabled people and always have been?

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I am assuming that the part of their UC that will be cut is the disabled element? Most people can’t even get this at all if you are disabled. The rules to receive it in the first place are extremely strict.

Why us nobody talking about this? Has our society now become brainwashed with the idea that it’s acceptable to call disabled people with significant needs benefit scroungers?

Why is it the most vulnerable being shat on from a great height, over and over??

You can get PIP and still work as the two aren't mutually exclusive:I'm assuming they are talking about those physically unable to work and on ESA.

Unless someone has transferable skills or training or even a degree then the only work from home opportunities will be call centre type work;not everyone has good people skills or can use a computer well enough to be able to do this.

My brother who's autistic has really poor people skills,zero patience,crappy sleep patterns,no self motivation,poor organisational skills and poor coping skills so work is out of the question especially WFH.

As for my mum who's unable to leave the house without a carer due to a physical disability;well she's in constant pain;on pain meds that make give her brain fog,she's unable to read and write properly and struggles to even use apps on her phone;she has no useable computer skills.

It's absolutely ludicrous.

Yes.

I've been saying for years it is like living in 1930s Germany.

Currently they are taking £50 a month of my UC for an 'over payment' from 2019. But in 2019 they didn't actually pay me anything.

They also take my pension of £ for £ because it is 'unearned income', if I could work I could keep the same amount.

I got that pension from working and paying in, so in effect I get less money because I did work, and make contributions and I also pain NI.

I'm terrified.

You're obviously aware that you can't just claim you have a mental health condition and you get benefits on your say so? You need evidence. I was actually told my evidence (for a different condition) was rubbish. It was a letter from my consultant stating what he'd diagnosed me with.

Clearly you missed the discussion of what the statistics actually show. I suggest you go back and actually read the thread.

Can't be unproven.

Best err on the side of caution then.

I have to say I find it terrifying. DC is physically able but has other issues (autism and severe learning difficulties). I wonder what sort of WFH they are expected to do and who on earth would employ them

What planet do you live on?

I've paid NI from being 16.

I also paid into a pension.

The amount of benefit I receive is reduced by the amount of my pension, so I'm actually spending my pension to subsidise my benefits and your tax bill.

I have no family within 100 miles of me.

A little research will make it quite apparent what the views of this poster are. There's little point in engaging with her. Posts by someone who refers to mental health issues by putting them in inverted commas really aren't
worth anyone's time.

I have fibromyaglia and I don't know from one day to the next how I am going to be that day. Someday I can't even get out of bed. My partner is looking at wfh jobs due to a knee issue that an op didn't fix, but with no experience in those sort of roles it's going to be mighty difficult, plus he is dyslexic and we grew up in the 80s, the help for those kids wasn't the best. So his reading skills aren't that good. All he can do is try. I feel like it's completely wrong to target the disabled.
There are plenty people out there that are lazy and don't want to work, sort them out first!!

Indeed. Same for the poster who claimed PIP was easy to get, without even having any understanding what PIP actually is or any evidence to back up what they were saying. I note they haven't bothered to come back to admit they were wrong!

Some people just hate disabled people and think they are getting a free ride, somehow.

This government knows that "othering" vulnerable and marginised people can provide fruitful pickings with some of their potential voters.

It amazes me how many people think it's easy for disabled people to 'just get a job'. Even if there are WFH jobs available, or other work the person could manage, in a competitive market, disabled people often don't even get an interview.
The government has also cut funding for initiatives that have assisted disabled persons with gaining employment. It's not that all disabled people don't 'want' to work, or that they can't do any sort of work, it is often that they don't even get the chance. Then they get blamed for not working.
It's a no-win situation. You have to prove you can't work to a government that doesn't want to help you and prove you can work to businesses that don't want to employ you

The people who believe the goverment's narrative about lazy disabled people who don't want to work do so because they either 1) want to believe it; it chimes with their utter lack of morality and decency, or 2) are so unable to think critically that they have happily swallowed the narrative they are being spoonfed. Wicked or thick, take your pick.

I don't think the people on this thread who support the government's narrative are lacking in intelligence, but I think they lack human decency.

The wider electorate is another matter.

@ilovesooty I was speaking more widely, but you are correct about certain posters on this thread.

This is it, what company is going to employ a disabled person who needs a load of adjustments when 10 able bodied people also applied?

I have a relative who is profoundly deaf, blind in one eye, has very limited use of one arm, can’t speak, has difficulty lip reading because of the one eye thing, and whose literacy skills reflect the shit ‘education’ disabled people of her age received. She is also over 60.

She worked for years as a machinist until her disability progressed and she can’t physically see to do it anymore, or use one arm. But she did work and contribute for years.

She had her benefits removed twice (and then reinstated after appeal) for not applying for enough jobs… jobs that simply don’t exist, and any she did apply for she obviously never got an interview.

She has given up trying to claim now and her and her husband manage on his pension and a small amount of pip.

what also annoys me is they bought in ESA over Incapacity benefit they bought in PIP over DLA all to supposedly make things easier eg make it more difficult to claim and be entitled and thus saving money (all in the last 13/14yrs)

now they have bought UC in to scrap ESA and by the looks of it bring the numbers and costs down,so basically ESA did not work how they wanted the cost must be huge to make these xhanges cant they get anything right

and off topic slightly but UC was rolled out as a one stop benefit that would cut down on fraud be easier to claim but what has happened is that during covid people claiming were not put through full security and now are being put through again,because it was not assessed propally during covid fraud is now high and the roll out has taken 3/4 times as long and still wont be fully rolled out till 2028/29

they constantly seem to tinker with all of these and are now doing the same with UC changing the goal posts

what a shambles this has all become
voting them out imo cant come quick enough they clearly have no idea what they are doing and cant imagine the cost with the change over either

Congrats on virtue-signalling about being less concerned about what happens on your doorstep.

I also have fibromyalgia and I work full time. We have a disabled close family member who does not claim because they don't want to. Family sort it out.
So don't tell me I'm don't know about disability.
I do.
But I still think the government should try to get as many people as possible into work.

I don't think you quite understand how it works. They don't actually help -,they sanction.

But, this isn't coming in until 2025 - hopefully they will be out of power next year.

You know nothing

Come back when you've tried claiming and been told that the incurable condition you were born with causes no problems.

@yellowspanner nobody disagrees about getting disabled people into work - we disagree with this government's methods.

Everything you want is possible - but it will cost money, not save money. It will take an investment in people - in bringing their skills up to par, in providing adaptive technology, in bringing back their social skills when they have lived in isolation.

It will take investment in businesses - in providing incentives to take on people who need support, whose attendance may be less because of hospital appointments and days when they actually cannot work.

It will take a complete change in culture.

But all this government offers is punishment and a slide into deeper poverty. If you really have fibromyalgia, you will understand what works and what doesn't. My DS also has fibromyalgia, and a host of other issues besides, both physical and mental health related. He works 22.5 hours a week and gets higher rate PIP - but he is only able to do this because he has social skills and qualifications, a supportive employer who genuinely adapts to his disabilities and a good home environment. Have a little compassion for the very many people who do not have any of these things - or are you not capable of that?

It isn't as simple as 'well, I can do it, therefore everyone else can'. That's Tory bullshit.

Exactly @pointythings and this is where the government's agenda is clearly disingenuous because they know full well that disabled people won't be able to meet those conditions, however much they may want to. It's merely a way for them to make disabled people even poorer and try to make it look acceptable.

This government are at war with anyone who is not already very wealthy.