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James Cleverly ( Stockton)

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Newtonianmechanics · 23/11/2023 19:47

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/james-cleverly-stockton-north-shithole-b2451844.html

Course he said it! What happened to levelling up eh! Scary that they actually think like this. It isn't helpful at all. Disgraceful in fact.

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RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 23/11/2023 19:55

Sunak needs to take decisive action and sack him. The lies are embarrassing, and imo even more offensive than the original comment.

Iwasafool · 23/11/2023 19:59

It's bleeped out so I can't hear it. Disgusting if he did say it.

StoneWashJeansWithAMatchingJacket · 23/11/2023 20:01

Themis habit of lying the Tories have is so fucking tiresome. The comment itself was uncalled for and unhelpful. It highlights the Tory way of looking at things: your issue of people living in poverty is nothing to do with us/me, it’s because you and your constituents live in a “shit hole” and that’s completely your own fault.

And then of course, lie about it, even when you’re caught out.

Iwasafool · 23/11/2023 20:01

So he's now saying he called the other MP shit not stockton a shithole. Even if that is true it is hardly appropriate. What a way to behave.

Autumnleavesss · 23/11/2023 20:05

They get accused of constantly lying, yet here he is saying something 100% accurate and people still complain

Newtonianmechanics · 23/11/2023 20:08

StoneWashJeansWithAMatchingJacket · 23/11/2023 20:01

Themis habit of lying the Tories have is so fucking tiresome. The comment itself was uncalled for and unhelpful. It highlights the Tory way of looking at things: your issue of people living in poverty is nothing to do with us/me, it’s because you and your constituents live in a “shit hole” and that’s completely your own fault.

And then of course, lie about it, even when you’re caught out.

This exactly.

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sparklefresh · 23/11/2023 20:11

Grotesque. The Tories want to take this country for all they can, they don't give a shit about it and actively look down on most of us.

Jellykat · 23/11/2023 20:12

Autumnleavesss · 23/11/2023 20:05

They get accused of constantly lying, yet here he is saying something 100% accurate and people still complain

Yesterday he was denying saying anything, today he admits he did.. thats lying isnt it? Hmm

DuncinToffee · 23/11/2023 20:16

Iwasafool · 23/11/2023 19:59

It's bleeped out so I can't hear it. Disgusting if he did say it.

It's not bleeped out here

https://x.com/ACunninghamMP/status/1727349634971107623?s=20

napody · 23/11/2023 20:20

What a surprise: trying to lie his way out of it.

Just as illuminating are the ones completely misunderstanding (or deliberately misrepresenting) the issue as one of 'misconduct ' in the commons. That's standard MP behaviour! The issue is the contempt for large swathes of the population.

napody · 23/11/2023 20:21

Iwasafool · 23/11/2023 20:01

So he's now saying he called the other MP shit not stockton a shithole. Even if that is true it is hardly appropriate. What a way to behave.

Don't fall for that! It's one of the standard tactics 'I hold my hands up guv' to something they know doesn't reflect nearly so badly on them.

lochmaree · 23/11/2023 20:22

it's not ideal but I dont think it's newsworthy.

Shinyandnew1 · 23/11/2023 20:25

Autumnleavesss · 23/11/2023 20:05

They get accused of constantly lying, yet here he is saying something 100% accurate and people still complain

He’s lying about saying it.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 23/11/2023 20:25

He definitely says 'shit hole' not 'You're a shit'. Either way, he should go. It's disgusting behaviour.

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 23/11/2023 20:28

lochmaree · 23/11/2023 20:22

it's not ideal but I dont think it's newsworthy.

Incorrect. It’s unacceptable and he needs to go.

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 23/11/2023 20:30

Imagine if the cunt had said the same about fucking Weybridge - he’d have been fired by now.

Frabbits · 23/11/2023 20:33

Let's face it, Cleverly is both enough of a twat to say it and stupid enough to not censor himself.

The man is an utter tool.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 23/11/2023 20:40

Frabbits · 23/11/2023 20:33

Let's face it, Cleverly is both enough of a twat to say it and stupid enough to not censor himself.

The man is an utter tool.

Yes. Cleverly by name; fucking stupid by nature.

Disorganisedmess2023 · 23/11/2023 20:48

lochmaree · 23/11/2023 20:22

it's not ideal but I dont think it's newsworthy.

Perhaps it is to the people of Stockton. Perhaps it is to the third of children growing up in poverty there.

Iam4eels · 23/11/2023 20:54

His comments were completely out of line. The reason 34% of children in Stockton are living in poverty is because of 13 years of Tories austerity and cuts as well as their deliberate underfunding of Labour held areas.

Disorganisedmess2023 · 23/11/2023 20:56

Iam4eels · 23/11/2023 20:54

His comments were completely out of line. The reason 34% of children in Stockton are living in poverty is because of 13 years of Tories austerity and cuts as well as their deliberate underfunding of Labour held areas.

And because it's in Teesside and the North East is non existent to parliament.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 23/11/2023 20:59

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 23/11/2023 19:55

Sunak needs to take decisive action and sack him. The lies are embarrassing, and imo even more offensive than the original comment.

Sunak can't really sack yet another home secretary, can he? He's running out of options.

Unless he wants to draft Theresa May back in...he seems to like bringing back former PMs and she knows the gig...

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 23/11/2023 21:02

lochmaree · 23/11/2023 20:22

it's not ideal but I dont think it's newsworthy.

You don't think it's newsworthy that a very senior member of the cabinet would dismiss a question about unpalatably high levels of child poverty with a comment about the place being a shithole? And that he then lied about having said it?

OK then.

mrscatwoman · 23/11/2023 21:04

Can't wait for all the Tory voters who are always banging on about how rude, aggressive, nasty and foul-mouthed 'the left' are, and how they can therefore never vote Labour and will have to vote Tory into perpetuity, to turn up. Doubtless they will be outraged at this incident. Either that or they will never mention it, just like JRM's comments about Grenfell, Jenkyns giving the public the finger, a number of comments made by Johnson over the years etc etc.

These people hold us in utter contempt. And no wonder when they keep getting voted in no matter what they do.

BouncingJAS · 23/11/2023 21:07

Its somewhat funny that people are pretending to be angered by this.

First off, Stockton is a dump. It is massively deprived and its depressing to even visit the place.

And no, "levelling up" was just a slogan to buy votes at the GE2019.

Stockton had been dying for a long time and nobody is coming to rescue it.

Nor should they. When you have very limited money, Stockton is not the place you should be spending this money on. The area is already dead with no hope of recovering.

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