To think that net immigration…

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Of 745,000 people a year isn’t what the 17 million people who voted for Brexit in 2016 thought they were voting for?

YABU = Yes, this is what Leave supporters voted for.

YANBI = No, they didn’t vote for this.

@jgw1 migrant numbers of 700,000 a year is not what anyone voted for. Remain or leave. This will have massive societal ramifications we can not predict.

Its exactly what people who voted for Boris Johnson voted for.

Now if they didn't actual read the manifesto he stood on and understood the implications of the changes to for instance the rules on student visas and allowing students to stay for 2 years after their course had finished with their family or the changes to rules on "skilled workers" visa, that is hardly my fault.
Those of us who did read those things at the time are not the least surprised.

We’ll find it difficult to be an outlier if all others are more hardline on migration, including borders

I wouldn’t stick your head in the sand that much

We won’t be immune to rising pressures even with Labour. Look at what’s happening outside the U.K.

Absolutely. The Left’s record on immigration over the past decade has been awful. All those laws they passed to allow immigrants…

Erm, the left hasn't been in power for over 13 years. I'm pretty sure any record on immigration over the past 10 years is entirely the Tories fault...

Sorry, just realised that was sarcasm.

It's so had to tell with all these idiots around...

Most of the problems we have right now aren’t brexit related though. The major issues (certainly around inflation) are being driven by wider global circumstances like the Covid lockdowns and the way in Ukraine. Brexit by comparison is relatively minor.

All the while being exacerbated by Brexshit...

@jgw1 every government has campaigned to reduce immigration for the last twenty years, and then this.

Anyway let’s see what is happening in Ireland, a country with huge housing pressures and massive very quick demographic change in a relatively small population. The frog has been flash friend, not boiled and we are seeing the consequences. My earlier posts about the break down in social cohesion stand. I wonder if the Irish government will be asking the people to ‘not look back in anger’ as the English are asked to do after terrorist attacks carried out by hostile incomers.

No we do not.
Thats a total lie.

Its actually 1.45m but vast majority are churn, short term claimants, i think there are approx 300k long term unemployed, many unemployable.

Now we have a lot on long term sick but if they cannot get timely treatment whose fault is that?

We have been an outlier having had an at times far right government for the past 5-13 years, and are moving towards a centrist government, some countries are moving the other way. I fail to see why it would be difficult for the UK the other way around.

The Tories have an open border immigration policy, students workers and anyone else ALL allowed to bring in family members.

So we are importing huge numbers of migrants yet still have massive labour shortages, quite a trick pulled on by Ms Braverman and Sunak (she was the HS over the last 12months)

These 745k net figures are people invited in, tougher border control is not the issue.

My earlier posts about the break down in social cohesion stand

We’re at the start of very high numbers of people movement. People still seem to be ignoring what’s happening and think a Labour politician will be immune, which is clearly not going to be the case and pie in the sky thinking based on loyalty.

This much discord over where we are is pretty high. It’s not going to get easier.

Not true. The UK government under Boris Johnson actively sort to increase immigration by the decision in 2021 to allow all graduates to stay for 2 years after their course finished and 3 years for PhD graduates. That together with allowing the families of students to come to the UK with them has been a significant driver of immigration. No doubt Rishi, approved of this since he didn't resign from government when it was introduced.

Presumably since you don't like the migration of people when the opportunity arises you won't be voting for a party led by an economic migrant?

The net figure of 3/4 million people coming here are people invited into the UK by the Tories each year.

Its not a problem Labour have caused.

We not need these levels of migration, its a Tory created issue.

Quite "Stop the Boats" "Allow in everyone else"

Try bringing in family members if you get a work visa for Australia?

There was no mention of who caused it in that post.

It was about this idea that we will be immune from increasing breakdown of social cohesion due to voting in Labour.

Especially if we are an outlier on border policies. Whichever country makes it easier will feel it more.

@jasflowers the graph below shows the staggering levels of people on benefits at this time compared

Net migration, so more arriving than leaving.

Did something also happen in the last few years which makes it much harder to leave and go live and work elsewhere?

If Labour invest in communities as they did last time they were in office then it is perfectly plausible that they will be able to reduce to some extent the breakdown in social cohesion that the Tories have chosen to cause.

Isn't it a shame we have a government that is determined to demonise and other minority groups rather than working with them to support them. At least we can hope that will change next year with a change in government.

People are in la la land.

Do you read world news at all?

Yes thanks.

Have you worked out why when you don't like immigrants you support a party led by someone who has been a migrant?