To think that net immigration…

[Libertass]

Of 745,000 people a year isn’t what the 17 million people who voted for Brexit in 2016 thought they were voting for?

YABU = Yes, this is what Leave supporters voted for.

YANBI = No, they didn’t vote for this.

That line is also from your imagination. Your assumptions are generally very poor so I just skip them

I voted remain but it’s bonkers to think that having an opinion extra 700,000 people arrive in a year won’t cause social, cultural and economic problems.

@jasflowers how will
Labour override basic human responses to resource competition, in group preference. These are basic tenets of life. Sorry you are in some utopian dream land where a multicultural society with no conflict or tension occurs. Show me the society that has functioned after huge demographic changes? I have a lot of examples of ones that have not.

We have seen with the protests in the last few weeks we have groups in the U.K. that actively hate the west and our values. This will only increase and the more marginalised people feel, the more angry they will become. We have huge disparity’s in property wealth and social mobility has been stagnant for years, we have a poor economy and limited opportunities for people to advance.

I don’t think adding millions of people who will mostly live in poor conditions is going to be helpful to us as a society and not good for the people moving here either.

Jas how much immigration would be too much do you think? Also what would your plans be to make sure integration went well for the society and for incomes? Genuine question as I would like to know.

@jasflowers sorry quoted you when I meant @jgw1

I live in a 2-university city and we can't move for students. Lots of student residential buildings everywhere and even more being built. Lots of landlords snapping up properties to rent out. It does put pressure on certain areas for our indigenous young to get a place but it's double edged as the students bring in so much money and the shops/eateries/pubs thrive.

Plus don't they come in on a tier 4 visa and have to leave at the end of their study? So they leave and a new lot come in like a constant cycle and they don't get to stay and we get more on top?

If they start capping international students, my city will sink. It would change the demographic and not sure it would be a good thing around here.

Absolutely, I live in Yorkshire and your description of Essex sounds identical to where I live. The increase in traffic every year, the new housing estates being built everywhere, every journey anywhere is an arduous struggle, the 4 week wait for simple blood tests at doctors, months of waiting for a dentist, hospital referrals not happening for 6-12 months upwards etc. That people can’t accept that the UK can’t go on like this is beyond me, if net migration continues at this level we’ll have 7.5 million more people here in 10 years, where the hell are they all going to live?

Yes this.

Ho ho ho. I remember Remainers banging on endlessly about how immigration wasn’t a problem and that the U.K. had the same powers to control it in or out.
So what’s the difference now?
If we can control our borders the problem is government policy not Brexit.

There were 200,000 new homes built in the uk last year

but over 700,000 new people arrived

that’s why property prices remain high

But just look at the numbers. Immigration patently wasn't a problem before Brexshit! You caused this mess, you own it!

The problem is though, that these people are legally here, so they are working. They are allowed to bring their dependents, but who will come here on their own when other countries who desperately need healthcare professionals do allow dependents? And are adult dependents allowed to work? Why do we not allow asylum seekers to work in unskilled labour while they wait 5 years for their applications to be processed ( again because of chronic underinvestment in public services?) without immigration, British people will have to work longer and benefits, including pensions, which make up 50% of benefits will have to be slashed and the sick and old forced into work. Without international students, universities will need much more funding. The government has let businesses ( including in the health and social care system) get away with building profits up for shareholders and not paying adequate tax while not investing in training and development of staff and not paying properly, as well as long-term chronic under investment in FE colleges and vocational training and technology. Green fields are lovely, but if there's no one to get an elderly person out of bed and give them a wash, they won't be able to see it.

It has been a problem since the 90s and I think it got worse when Romania joined.

I don't think many would mind if we were financially worse off but got back to the population levels I had as a child (a lot fewer people).

Also wages go up when there are fewer workers. At present many with families in full time low wage work are topped up with benefits. Many of us who voted Remain, as I did, also are concerned about high immigration.

One of the things I don't understand about the rabidly pro-remain group (and I voted remain myself whilst having misgivings about this aspect) is that with Freedom of Movement in the EU we basically had an even more racist immigration policy. Someone from the EU could just swan over whilst someone from another country had no chance. I don't really think that's better.

Yes the more people who are here, the more services are needed like NHS and housing

You do like migrants?

Then I would suggest not voting for a party that actively sets out to increase migratation, social division, hatred and inequality of all sorts. Sadly the current government is determine to do all of those things to meet the needs of those who pay them.

More than your nonsense posts 😀

You said on "out of work benefits" your graph includes everyone on any sort of benefit who isn't workin, that could be single mums, unable to work due to childcare.

The JSA claimants is very small, as your graph shows.

I haven’t seen that before. How does UC work? Is it contribution based and time limited

People still seem to be ignoring what’s happening and think a Labour politician will be immune, which is clearly not going to be the case and pie in the sky thinking based on loyalty

Just following on from this ^

No loyalty from me, i just don't see how, with (potentially) a year to go, Labour should even be mentioned.

These figures are legal, they aren't people fleeing climate change war or being trafiicked, they people we ve invited in, the Tories have invited in yet have not solved labour shortages, quite trick really.

i just don't see how, with (potentially) a year to go, Labour should even be mentioned.

People seem quite certain Labour will be in. I’d say it’s a good idea to look at how they’ll deal with migration pressures.

The idea you can’t mention a potential party is a bit head in the sand.

Look at how quickly we are seeing events emerge, and the general societal and political landscape change. If we have lax border policies for five years against rising right with more stringent measures in many other countries, we will find it very difficult.

The current government introduced the absolute right for overseas students to remain for 2 years after they finished their degree, 3 for PHDs, which together with the right to move your family here as a student has led to a growing number of overseas students.

This is very important for universities as otherwise they would be finanicially bankrupt and even then some universities see for instance Oxford Brookes have had to stop less popular courses.

That people can’t accept that the UK can’t go on like this is beyond me

Until people are willing to accept the underlying issue is our aging population, and have a serious conversation about how to deal with it, net migration will be the only way to mitigate the economic and social fallout of that.