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To think that net immigration…

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Libertass · 23/11/2023 13:14

Of 745,000 people a year isn’t what the 17 million people who voted for Brexit in 2016 thought they were voting for?

YABU = Yes, this is what Leave supporters voted for.

YANBI = No, they didn’t vote for this.

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jgw1 · 23/11/2023 21:47

caringcarer · 23/11/2023 21:40

With or without a passport? Without would not be legal.

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Without a passport is not necessarily illegal, sometimes it is, not always.

jgw1 · 23/11/2023 21:48

HannibalHeyes · 23/11/2023 21:43

Can you translate this nonsense?

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But Jeremy Corbyn?

jgw1 · 23/11/2023 21:49

EasternStandard · 23/11/2023 21:44

ffs what is it with people who can’t read

You are riven by spite and it may well bite you on the arse.

Hoping people get poorer is stupid.

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But the current government's policy of ensuring that most people get poorer is of course laudable.

HannibalHeyes · 23/11/2023 21:50

Thanks jgw1 - that makes sense now...

BouncingJAS · 23/11/2023 21:50

Senior Management in Financial Services.

jgw1 · 23/11/2023 21:51

HannibalHeyes · 23/11/2023 21:50

Thanks jgw1 - that makes sense now...

Its either that or something about knowing what a woman is.

HannibalHeyes · 23/11/2023 21:51

jgw1 · 23/11/2023 21:49

But the current government's policy of ensuring that most people get poorer is of course laudable.

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Yes, but they, and their donors, are getting richer, so that's all good...

EasternStandard · 23/11/2023 21:56

jgw1 · 23/11/2023 21:48

But Jeremy Corbyn?

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With rioting in Dublin, far right rising in elections, and all getting worse the old lines are going to have to work on overtime

Good luck ignoring it all…

LakieLady · 23/11/2023 22:00

Kendodd · 23/11/2023 13:42

Nothing delights me more that seeing red faced Leave voting racists reactions to these numbers Grin

Me too!

It'll go down in history as a great example of "be careful what you wish for".

Clavinova · 23/11/2023 22:00

BouncingJAS
Senior Management in Financial Services

We have some of those in the family - they all have bigger houses and better cars than they had in 2016. Bad luck if you haven't performed well.

greengreengrass25 · 23/11/2023 22:07

Darker · 23/11/2023 17:08

Perhaps we should stop people who don’t live in the uk buying up housing and land, and keeping it for investment purposes. And let councils build proper social housing. Then there might be less pressure.

Absolutely

And if we had provided social housing for people already living here perhaps we wouldn't have a birth crisis and they would do the lower paid jobs like they used to?

It's been crap for the WC since the 90s

Also aren't we meant to be more sustainable in the UK and be protecting the environment

Fififafa · 23/11/2023 22:07

travelnorth · 23/11/2023 21:34

The U.K. is hardly the only place getting so many immigrants. However, it seems to be the favourite destination once they get to Europe. The benefits are a big incentive and the tolerance of the British people. Well let’s see where it takes us. I hope to be out of here very soon.

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Bye then!

greengreengrass25 · 23/11/2023 22:08

Mycatsgoldtooth · 23/11/2023 17:22

@0MammaBear0 i think you make an excellent point. The conditions I see people living in on my street are shocking. Many families cramped into MOH, children sharing rooms with adults as bedroom and living room, gardens full of scrap metal as the parents collect it so no place to play. A lot of crime in my area and drug abuse so kids can’t play out. I don’t think it’s actually moral for the wealthy of the U.K. to be making money from bringing in people from abroad so they don’t have to pay living wages to people already here. From what I see in my area it’s just shoving people in to substandard housing and the kids going to crap schools where the quality of teaching is awful as so many of the children don’t speak English as a first language. I worry about how these children will grow up. I don’t think they are going to be happy people. They are marginalised, poor and alienated.

Yes the UK is going backwards

BouncingJAS · 23/11/2023 22:10

People don't live in a vaccuum.

Having a larger house and better life does not magically make you immune to a deteriorating country in the general sense.

The UK is not South Africa. Yet.

EasternStandard · 23/11/2023 22:15

BouncingJAS · 23/11/2023 22:10

People don't live in a vaccuum.

Having a larger house and better life does not magically make you immune to a deteriorating country in the general sense.

The UK is not South Africa. Yet.

So your pp was a badly judged one

‘Poorer and poorer..’

HannibalHeyes · 23/11/2023 22:17

Yes, poorer. Poorer public services, poorer NHS, poorer pensions (despite the recent budget, compared to everywhere else). Just poorer overall.

But you want to pretend it's all wonderful...

BouncingJAS · 23/11/2023 22:18

The country will not change for the better until the Brexiters fully realise they made a mistake. They have to hit "rock bottom".

Its easy to "vote for X" when the consequences are nebulous.

Now those people "know" the consequences.

We shall just have to see if they have learned their lesson.

greengreengrass25 · 23/11/2023 22:20

The non EU immigrants were still coming through Europe anyway before Brexit.

EasternStandard · 23/11/2023 22:20

lol I didn’t write

Its very gratifying to watch the Brexiters get poorer and poorer due to the Brexit they voted for.

Keep it coming.

Nor agree with it. And it’s not even related to my vote. But since the pp has since said they don’t live in a vacuum not sure why they’d actually want it

HannibalHeyes · 23/11/2023 22:21

Unfortunately, most of them are still refusing to see the obvious.

Dunning and Kruger have a lot to answer for...

Clavinova · 23/11/2023 22:22

BouncingJAS · 23/11/2023 22:18

The country will not change for the better until the Brexiters fully realise they made a mistake. They have to hit "rock bottom".

Its easy to "vote for X" when the consequences are nebulous.

Now those people "know" the consequences.

We shall just have to see if they have learned their lesson.

You're not that ThinkingGoblin poster are you?
Doom, gloom and more gloom...

Cheer up.

EasternStandard · 23/11/2023 22:23

BouncingJAS · 23/11/2023 22:18

The country will not change for the better until the Brexiters fully realise they made a mistake. They have to hit "rock bottom".

Its easy to "vote for X" when the consequences are nebulous.

Now those people "know" the consequences.

We shall just have to see if they have learned their lesson.

I’d say this is unlikely. Look at what’s happening generally, and how people are voting outside the U.K.

BouncingJAS · 23/11/2023 22:34

The last two years have seen a material deterioration in living standards (UK).

That is set to continue for the next two years (until 2025)

The Resolution Foundation has pointed out that incomes will not recover from 2008 level until 2028.

Thats two decades of no growth to median real UK incomes.

People on the ground will definitely notice that they are in fact "poorer".

jgw1 · 23/11/2023 22:48

EasternStandard · 23/11/2023 21:56

With rioting in Dublin, far right rising in elections, and all getting worse the old lines are going to have to work on overtime

Good luck ignoring it all…

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These things have a habit of going in cycles. Whilst other countries in Europe are just getting far right governments the UK is ready to kick ours out.

See for example.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

General Election Prediction

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

jgw1 · 23/11/2023 22:49

greengreengrass25 · 23/11/2023 22:08

Yes the UK is going backwards

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Its the will of the people.