Lip filler everywhere

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Is it just becoming the norm? How is everyone affording it in a cost of living crisis?

@faffadoodledo sorry, I misinterpreted. And yes, I agree about ‘well-endowed’, ‘decent-sized bust’, ‘ample bosom’ etc, as if anything less is unacceptable.

@faffadoodledo no. What I'm strongly lobbying for is women being able to do what they want with their own money to their own bodies without other women being so hideously snide about it. The viciousness and nastiness on this thread is off the scale. These women look 'cruel' look like 'a victim' have blow job lips, duck lips, sausage lips, look disgusting, grim ( what else it's mn favourite word 🙄) gross and like sex dolls to name a few. They are weak, vapid and self obsessed. It was even suggested these women are giving off 'concerning sexual messages.' They are clogging up the NHS. They are forcing other women to feel inadequate. And who knows what else. This thread has turned my stomach.

@DaisyDaisyDaisyDaisyDaisyDaisy and not once have I said any of those things. In fact you'll see I'm equally against judging but from a different angle - the judgment of our natural bodies which drives some to altering them.

@faffadoodledo I'm not saying you have. I'm explaining where I'm coming as you tagged me first.

@Angrymum22 you said most disappear. That's just not true. Most do not disappear. Done disappear. Many do not. Mine do not. Now you are going on about whole body anatomy In women you often see women with a pear shaped body have long faces with narrow palates and noses and short upper lips, this leads to the development of more protruding upper teeth.
But this is equally bollocks. The majority of pear shaped women do not have long faces and narrow noses. You may be a dental technician of some sort but you are quite confused about overall anatomy.

@faffadoodledo

On the subject of thinning lips though, take a look at Helen Mirren. Never been blessed with fulsome lips, and these days it looks like lipstick does the job of slight enlargement. Yet she is an acknowledged beauty with a beautiful aged face, and no one ever says ewww look at her thin lips. Which is a good thing!

Eh? Helen Mirren hasn't got especially thin lips, even taking the lipstick into account, When she was younger in fact they look more on the full side than the thin side.

Like many others here, my concern is with the lack of regulation of so many ‘aesthetic practitioners’ and the quality of the injectables used.

It upsets me that daughters of my friends (intelligent young women) feel they need to fill their lips to achieve this certain look.

And before anyone comes at me, yes I have expressed this to them all - that they are lovely as they are and they don’t need it.

Strangely enough, two of them have a mother who couldn’t give a flying fuck about appearance and rarely even brushes her hair

No I’m a fully qualified dentist of 35+ yrs I’m afraid.
Part of our training is body morphology. You just observe certain traits in body types. It’s not noticeable to most people, we dental geeks just see certain orthodontic morphologies. It’s all to do with muscle anatomy and how it generates adult face shape.
It’s a fascinating part of the job, it is observational but it’s surprising how many do follow morphological patterns.

I’m frequently mistaken for a dental nurse or receptionist in practice due to being a bit of a dumb blonde. It suits me to be perceived as such outside of work but used to upset me when I was younger in my professional setting. I stopped wearing makeup and chose geeky glasses in order to appear more plausible. I’m much less noticeable now I’m nearly 60. So much easier to be an invisible middle ager. I still have big lips though.

The different perceptions we hold of ourselves and others is interesting. I recall being told by a woman "yeah, but I think you've got quite full lips anyway haven't you?". I had never thought of myself as someone with full lips, I just thought she had very thin lips.

It might be me who has a skewed perception, who knows, as I would have described Helen Mirren's lips as standard/normal/average for a white woman, not thin but not full either.

@Angrymum22 I'm just not seeing the pear shape body, narrow face correlation. Jennifer Lopez, Rihanna, Kelly clarkson.... me 😂. All pear shaped. None with narrow faces. I'm not saying none do but I'm not seeing any correlation in the world around me. You don't have to be a dentist to be able to see

Sorry if I am wrong, the only giveaway to me that you have had lip fillers is the slight bumps (very small) at the edge of your lips, I only notice this as I have the same small bumps where the needle went in

The examples you give are not classic pear shape. Their shoulders are too broad ie they equal the pelvic width, making them beautiful hour glass shape.
An example of pear shaped would be Miranda Hart, very narrow shoulders which lie well within the width of her pelvis.
Just because someone has a big arse and hips doesn’t make them pear shaped. Miranda fits the pear shaped with short philtrum and gummy smile perfectly.

@monsteramunch maybe my views have indeed been skewed by the plethora of done lips in society - the ones that are obvioously 'done' and the ones which are subtle and which MN posters have done. I have been conditioned into seeing lips which are inflated in size and have lost sight of 'normal' like Helen Mirren's. I'm probably not alone in that. Helen's lips look much like my mum's did in her later years - they had thinned (lips do), and lipstick did the heavy lifting in terms of restoration.
Helen is a goddess, and as far as i can tell, has aged naturally and beautifully. I know she gets airbrushed in advertising and magazines, and I don't know how she feels about that. But in footage and unguarded photos she looks amazing.

What about shoulders that equal the pelvic width, a large arse but smaller breasts? Is that pear or hourglass?

It’s always been my understanding that hourglass = big hips and boobs, and pear shape = big hips and small boobs.

I didn’t think shoulders had anything to do with it.

Pear shape to me is all about the shoulder to hip ratio.

@W0tnow @Jellycats4life @Angrymum22
It seems there is no consensus online. 'Pear shaped' isn't a scientific category in any case.

This excerpt gives some advice relating to whether you use shoulder or bust.

I've always used bust as to me an hourglass is the classic bust/waist/hip dimensions. Nothing to do with shoulders at all

Im not referring to fashion based shape but anatomical shape. The vast majority of women are rectangular, gain fat all over and have no difference between bust, waste and hip measurement.

About a quarter of women have a smaller top half to bottom half, the smaller/narrower top half may have small bust measurement ( rib cage) but can have any cup size or volume of breast. But the width of shoulders and rib cage/circumferential bust size will be lower than their pelvic width. Fat is predominantly deposited in their buttocks and thighs. So they often look slender on top but buxom below the waste.

Finally less than 10% have shoulder and rib cage as wide as pelvic width but with fat deposited both above and below the waste giving classic hour glass.

Rectangular can have any variation of measurements but their bust/waist/hip measurements will be similar so 34/30/34 or 50/44/50.
Pear shape would have 30/24/44 or a bigger pear maybe 40/32/54
An hourglass will have 36/26/36 or 50/38/50.
Our bodies follow patterns in the way fat is deposited. Pears will have few fat cells above their hips with fat deposits in buttocks hips and legs. Rectangular classically around the abdomen and hourglass in back, bust and hips/ buttocks.
The fat distribution is partly the result of evolution and g conveys advantages and disadvantages.
In hotter climates you don’t want fat all over the body. In temperate and cold climates you need more even distribution.
Women need fat stores for our fundamental function and that is to produce milk. Post puberty our bodies are designed to produce babies and milk to feed them. Like any other mammal we are adapted for this function.
Most women who have bf for an extended period will have noticed that it is often harder to lose weight the longer you feed for and you build up fat stores in weird places.

Obviously, we have made great inroads in overcoming natures control over our bodies. Diet, gastric sleeves, plastic surgery and liposuction can dramatically change our body, but it’s very difficult to change our basic skeletal framework.

The study of human morphology is fascinating. But you need to look further than the celebrity and fashion world to understand the way our bodies differ and how those differences have evolved.

Morphology is often used as a basis for epidemiological research into human metabolism and disease processes. An example is the incidence of heart disease in women. A few years ago a study found that having a pear shape( fat distributed mainly around the hips and legs) was possible an indication of lower risk of heart disease . Unfortunately the evidence is still inconclusive. We do know that adaptations in order to survive in colder climates did lead to an increased risk of heart disease but having more body fat resulted in greater rate of survival to adulthood and therefore being able to reproduce. There is no point being skinny and potentially heart disease free if you can’t survive the cold winters.

Sorry I’m preaching but I’m fascinated by body morphology and the adaptations we have made, via evolution, to adapt to every part of the world. And it has nothing to do with fashion.

I just watched a vlog of a woman who had 12ml of filler in her face and lips who realised she had gone too far and admits she had lost all sight of what was looking good on her own face. She showed you herself afterwards and said she as mortified at what she had done to herself and how much she had lost perspective. I think it is easy to do this and not realise how far you have gone

Sorry I’m preaching but I’m fascinated by body morphology and the adaptations we have made, via evolution, to adapt to every part of the world. And it has nothing to do with fashion

Actually it does! I used to lecture in fashion history.

Basucally there is nothing new left to do in fashion. It’s just constant rehashing of old styles. The Body by Donna Karen was the last ‘new’ thing in fashion in the 80s/90’s.

So people now change and rehash their bodies. This started with the rise of tattoos in mainstream about 35 years ago, along with different body piercings. The rise of gyms has also co incuded with this. And now we are at a point where people want to change their lips, eyelashes and cheeks. Hair extensions were another thing, as are acrylic nails.

I don’t know where it goes from here!

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow you are right I was thinking more re the fashionable body shape rather than how we use fashion to alter it.
It’s quite grotesque the lengths Victorian and Edwardian women went to to achieve certain silhouettes.
But no where near as grotesque as BBLs ( the Kardashian’s) rib removals, toe length alteration and leg bone lengthening. Plastic and orthopaedic surgery has truly entered Frankenstein territory.

@Angrymum22 Rectangular can have any variation of measurements but their bust/waist/hip measurements will be similar so 34/30/34 or 50/44/50.
Pear shape would have 30/24/44 or a bigger pear maybe 40/32/54
An hourglass will have 36/26/36 or 50/38/50.
Even by your own description you are using bust waist hip measurements to define pear or rectangle. Nothing to do with shoulders. As YOU have yourself detailed, a pear might be 30/24/44 bust/waist/hip. Shoulders are irrelevant.

@drowninginjelly ok you are determine to pick holes.
Let’s try and imagine someone with a 30 inch chest and a 40inch hip or pelvic measurement. 30 inches is the measurement around the rib cage and either includes the boobs or doesn’t so is a body width of around 10inches at this point. The shoulder width, if the individual is not some freak of nature will be about the same, approx 10-12 inches. The hips are around 20 inches in width nearly 50% wider than the chest at its widest and the shoulders that the chest hangs on.
If the chest is as wide as the hips then you are no longer pear shaped.
Imagine a skeleton that is 20inches across the shoulders then narrows to 20inches across the rib cage at boob level.
You can have a narrow chest with huge cup size and still be pear shaped.
The diagram below demonstrates the three basic shapes on similar sized women and shows them all with the same sized boobs.
I have much wider shoulders than hips which then gives me a chest circumference of 38 inches ( at my absolute thinnest it only drops to 36 inches my cup size goes from DD to B)
My hip size is always smaller than my shoulders and chest.
This results in me having a size 18 upper body and size 14 lower body.
Even at my thinnest (5’7” 9st I cannot get into trousers or jeans smaller than size 12 I have a big skeleton. )
Our fundamental shape is dependent on our skeletal shape.
Simply join the dots on the diagrams to see the underlying shape.

I took some measurements and put them into a calculator. My breasts are relatively small at 32C/D, but apparently I’m an hour glass. I always thought I was but a friend said I couldn’t be because it was all about breast size. A revelation! Now I’m re-thinking my wardrobe.