Lip filler everywhere

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Is it just becoming the norm? How is everyone affording it in a cost of living crisis?

Mine are the opposite for some reason, the top lip looks bigger when I smile. Maybe because I have a bit of an overbite.

Before lip fillers were a thing I knew a girl at school who was obsessed with lips, she was genuinely ill with body dysmorphia and had to go to a psychiatric hospital for treatment. She would massively over line her lips with brown liner but not fill them in. I remember her coming up to me and asking me if I thought her lips were big and saying, ‘all I see when I look at people is lips’. I’d never really thought about lips until then. I sometimes wonder what happened to her.

Gah I deleted before I posted. So briefly, I disagree. Most people's top lip dies not disappear when they smile. Some do. Just as many do not. My top lip stayed firmly visible.

@AtomicPumpkin and that's fine for you. However there will be plenty of things about your appearance that you do worry about, surely? Unless you never wear makeup, don't dye your hair, have never been on a diet/to the gym for aesthetic reasons etc.

There are no points for not having an insecurity that someone else has, or not caring as much about your appearance. It's fine to want to embrace your natural self, but the people who assign some sort of moral superiority to this attitude are very strange. Inner beauty is the most important but it's fine, and actually basic human nature, to care about the outside too 🤷🏼‍♀️

I said most not all. Your lip doesn’t disappear but it does become thinner. Anatomically you have a high lip line that rolls up. We see a lot of people who want cosmetic lengthening of their teeth because they don’t like it when their gums show when they smile. Another unnecessary elective procedure which may cause longterm damage.

Facial aesthetics is very complex. Often people end up looking like their surgeons “ideal”. You only have to look at some of the American Real Housewives programmes where they all see the same plastic surgeon.
Lip fullness depends on the amount of soft tissue around the moth combined with the underlying bone and tooth position. Not easy to change without major surgery.

When I first started in practice a large proportion of over 50s had false teeth. One of the magic tricks we can do with dentures is to restore the missing lip that occurs when dentures wear down and bone is lost.

Ultimately it’s all down to genetics.
Big lips are on the way out. We are seeing a lot more demand for reversals and then it will be something else that people start to waste money on.
Our local extreme lip salon is now promoting some lemon acid rubbish that is supposed to remove double chins. As long as it doesn’t permanently damage vital stuff then happy to let fools and their money be parted.

@drowningfrowning those examples you gave saying these lips are not attractive and you understand why women would do something about it. TBH I don’t see anything wrong with how they were. Nothing a bit of lipstick can’t “correct”. It’s a shame IMO that such generic lips (and conforming to age on the left) would be considered unattractive. Overlooked or unnoticed, I’d say. But each to their own. Apart from youngsters who think face enhancement is the norm nowadays.

But it's not about you think it's about what the owners of the lips think. And they wanted their lips to be augmented. And I think they were done very nicely.

@drowninginjelly there’s nothing wrong with how they were done. But I don’t think they particularly add anything. Lips before, lips after. It’s not about what I think, but I thought since PP said what she thought - that they were unattractive before - I could give my opinion as well.

@Angrymum22 I said most not all. Your lip doesn’t disappear but it does become thinner.
How do you know my top lip becomes thinner when I smile? You don't know what my lips look like when I'm not smiling 🤣

My top lip disappears when I smile 🤷‍♀️ I think it’s sad that as women (and men) we get conditioned to see certain things as “ugly” and needing corrections. There is nothing wrong with thin lips, just like before razor marketing companies came up with an ad campaign decades ago, there was nothing wrong with hairy legs. Now we have been conditioned to want certain things - smooth legs, bigger lips, big lashes, no wrinkles, smooth hair. One minute it was thin eyebrows, now it’s thick eyebrows. Many women feel inadequate unless we have whatever the latest trend is.

I’m not acting morally superior because I do wear makeup and hair products. Just sad that I feel like I need to do some of the stuff I do. Peer pressure and beauty standards are hard to ignore. I do have a big issue when beauty standards mean surgery, needles and irreversible processes.

I agree! You always hear women complaining that they have no top lip, or their top lip disappears when they smile, and that’s why they just HAD to have filler. That’s just called being a white woman! Lots of white women have thin lips 🤷‍♀️

The lip filler paradox: so subtle even your own family can't tell you've had it done, but at the same time it makes a huge difference to how you look and is absolutely worth every penny.

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I started getting lip filler when I was 21 absolutely loved it my lips looked big and natural, every year I'd get 1ml till 9 years later I released I looked like a fcking duck! This still does not dissolved naturally it just mirgrated around my face I also had trouble dissolving it out took 5 goes and it still wasn't all completely out, anyway I got lip tattoo it's so much more natural every time I see a girl with lip filler now I think it's awful looking

I am not immune from overanalysing my appearance but I can honestly say I've never thought about my lips until the lip filler trend. Tbf sometimes my top lip gets thin when I smile, sometimes it doesn't....this is based on photos I've seen on myself. I don't particularly like the photos where it tucks in and shows gum but I'm pretty sure no one is clocking whether your top lip got thin in real life.

No. So subtle that no one can tell it's filler but effective enough that it makes your lips look like they did when you were younger.

I’m talking about thin in tissue depth as it is stretched. Thick lips just narrow but don’t really loose their plumpness.
Also it depends on how big your oral opening is. The actual size of the opening varies massively. You can have big lips with a small opening or narrow lips with a letterbox opening.
Professionally I prefer the letterbox mouths, so much easier to access the inside of the mouth.

I’m not criticising your lips just observing the anatomical features that dictate how the lips function when you smile. There are also genetic features that appear to link face shape and body features. For example some body shapes go with specific facial features. In women you often see women with a pear shaped body have long faces with narrow palates and noses and short upper lips, this leads to the development of more protruding upper teeth. Obviously it’s not always the case but it’s a common set of features.
Larger, fuller lips are more muscular and tend to produce a different shape of mouth and tooth position.The palate is often much broader and shallower.
These are all features that are genetically defined.

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@MsRosley how about the smugness paradox? When people are so invested in how other people spend their money when it has absolutely bloody nothing to do with them ...
Cue lots of laughing emojis when you think you're being oh so clever. When all that's happened is you come across as bitter and nasty

@DaisyDaisyDaisyDaisyDaisyDaisy I'm glad you like your lips. That's great. It's obviously something you've thought a lot about, and invested in. And I'm glad it makes you happy
@Angrymum22 interesting hearing your professional views. I was out to dinner on saturday with a dentist friend and he too was v interesting on the subject. Interestingly his wife (my age) hasn't had any of the procedures offered by his dental nurses.

I try not to obsess about my lips (although this thread may change that!). I am 57 and think therefore they must have thinned. But I certainly have no idea what happens to my top lip when I laugh and smile. I hope people are more interested in the overall effect of my facial features when I laugh and smile (which I try to do a lot).
More than that though I have a daughter and I honesty would prefer she saw I was comfortable with my ageing. And I think I am. What bothers me more is that although I'm fitter than average for my age I can feel the effects of ageing on my body: I'm less flexible and fast. That upsets me a bit. But I suppose if it upset me that much I can work a bit harder to sort it!

On the subject of thinning lips though, take a look at Helen Mirren. Never been blessed with fulsome lips, and these days it looks like lipstick does the job of slight enlargement. Yet she is an acknowledged beauty with a beautiful aged face, and no one ever says ewww look at her thin lips. Which is a good thing!

@faffadoodledo where did I say I like my lips or have spent any time whatsoever thinking about them?

@DaisyDaisyDaisyDaisyDaisyDaisy sorry but you seem content and are strongly lobbying for nice lips. If you're not, I apologise. You seem firmly in the pro corner so I'd assumed you'd done lots of research (more than me anyway).

Shouldn't have assumed this things! You just seemed to be on that page @DaisyDaisyDaisyDaisyDaisyDaisy

I know someone who has it , i imagine the cheaper variety as it looks obvious and is badly done, she now has what appears to be scar tissue and discolouration around the outline of her lips, i feel sorry for her .
I think its a horrible trend and god knows what the long term effects will be.

On the subject of thinning lips though, take a look at Helen Mirren. Never been blessed with fulsome lips, and these days it looks like lipstick does the job of slight enlargement. Yet she is an acknowledged beauty with a beautiful aged face, and no one ever says ewww look at her thin lips. Which is a good thing!

I wouldn’t say Helen Mirren has thin lips Why is someone ‘blessed’ with fulsome lips anyway? I appreciate you’re trying to advocate for thin lips here but as an actual thin-lipped person, it’s really irritating when people hold up women with average-sized lips as examples of the unblessed.

There is a bigger issue than how do people afford it. Potential health risks? Do those who administer it really know what they are doing?

@AntonFeckoff irony button was on.
I am petite of bosom (and everything else) and feel the same about phrases like 'well endowed' urgh!