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To feel sad seeing a 7 week old baby at DC's nursery today

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comfysketchers · 20/11/2023 14:35

Dropping my 15 month old off at nursery today before work and there was another woman there at the same time handing over a 7 week old sleeping baby.

He was absolutely tiny and I just felt so sad looking at him thinking that he barely even knows he is out of the womb and his mum is dropping him off to spend all day with strangers in a noisy nursery environment.

I should also add that I live in a country that has excellent parental leave from the government plus most private companies pay at least 10 weeks of full pay on top of that, with many paying much more than that.

YABU - It’s perfectly normal for a 7 week old baby to spend 8 hours per day in a nursery.

YANBU - A 7 week old baby should be at home with its mum.

OP posts:
PaperDoIIs · 20/11/2023 16:54

@comfysketchers let's turn this around a bit. I can't imagine leaving a 15 month old baby in nursery all day. I didn't. In fact it's one of the reasons why I wouldn't have a second , because I knew I'd have to do it before the baby or I would be ready. I can't imagine anyone doing it.

How does THAT feel?

EarringsandLipstick · 20/11/2023 16:54

LarkingLarks · 20/11/2023 16:15

No “normal” mother would do this, at least willingly. It goes against the normal instincts of Mother Nature. I would feel sorry for the baby. I saw it at my sons nursery when he started going there a few mornings a week aged 2. There were newborn babies there 8 am till 6 pm.

Edited

Unbelievable. No 'normal' mother?!!!

MargotBamborough · 20/11/2023 16:54

SouthLondonMum22 · 20/11/2023 16:52

What would positive change be for you? In your ideal world, what are some of the policies you would have?

Women being forced to give up work when they get married, probably.

SummerDawn2000 · 20/11/2023 16:55

The practitioners at the nursery and the nursery staff taking of the baby will be highly skilled and trained in child development. They’ll know about the fourth trimester. How to develop secure attachment, speech, so many cuddles etc I promise you that baby will be so loved and taken care of at nursery by the staff and the children alike.

life isn’t black and white. Sounds hard for the mum though but you don’t know peoples circumstances.

Nicknacky · 20/11/2023 16:55

GoonieGang · 20/11/2023 16:52

I left my son at nursery at 8 weeks because I had to go back to work to earn money to feed my family. He is now 18 and absolutely fine. Please don’t judge people you know nothing about

Yet one poster thinks nursery ages should be raised so if that miraculous was agreed you would have been screwed. Yet the poster doesn’t worry about how you would have provided for your family, do they?

Some attitudes on this thread are appalling. Particularly from the SAHP who are commenting on how they would NEVER leave their children but failing to mention that they are only at home because their husbands earn enough to allow them to do so.

I’m alright, Jack.

Shopkinsprincess1986 · 20/11/2023 16:55

Hmmmm….i feel sad seeing under 3’s in daycare. Unpop opinion but it’s not great for the kids (cortisol, aggression etc) but people have to be allowed to make decisions that fit with their lives. Glass houses and all that.

WinterDeWinter · 20/11/2023 16:56

MargotBamborough · 20/11/2023 16:43

You mean unless you had someone else to keep a roof over your head and put food on the table then?

Don't you think that's a rather regressive attitude to be promoting to your children?

It's like feminism never happened.

From my point of view, my daughter won't remember whether she was in nursery at 8 months or a year or whether I stayed at home with her until she went to school, but when she's 16 she'll be able to see whether I am thriving in a well paid job which contributes a significant amount to our family finances and lifestyle, allowing her to do extracurricular activities and go on decent holidays, or whether I'm financially dependent on her father.

And I'm not entirely sure what the point would be of encouraging her to excel academically or otherwise if the expectation in our family was that she stay at home to raise her own children one day. Why show her the world and then explain that she has to choose between that and having babies, whereas her brother can have both?

Feminism doesn’t mean we pretend that women’s biological differences don’t exist.

it means we accommodate them such that women and the babies they bear are not negatively impacted by those differences.

Market capitalism has co-opted feminism and sold you back a lie.

OopsieDaysi · 20/11/2023 16:56

I think you would really benefit from reading/listening to the audiobook of Maid by Stephanie Land.

RoundTheBendThenBackAgain · 20/11/2023 16:56

IDoughnutKnow · 20/11/2023 16:44

I love a good thread like this one.

@comfysketchers YANBU - it's monstrous to put a 7 week old baby in nursery.

However, I'm also judging you for sending your 15 month old. My DC didn't go to nursery at all, because they were better off at home with me than they would have been in a baby factory.

I don't believe any child under two benefits in any way at all from nursery, and over twos only benefit from small doses of it (if at all).

The thing is though, us women get judged for everything. I'm sure there are people out there who homeschool and would judge you (and me when the time comes!) for sending our children out to an education factory. In fact, I've seen a couple of judgy homeschoolers on social media.

I don't mean that to be nasty so please don't take it that way, I'm just making the point that everyone can be judged in one way or another.

I guarantee, there isn't a single person on this thread who is above reproach from judgemental people.

Hibiscrubbed · 20/11/2023 16:56

LarkingLarks · 20/11/2023 16:18

Nobody forced a woman at gunpoint to have a child! If you’re mentally unfit or are supporting a drug addict, maybe don’t have kids …

How, just how is this poisonous shit still standing?!

BellaCriesAndThatsAlright · 20/11/2023 16:56

Shopkinsprincess1986 · 20/11/2023 16:55

Hmmmm….i feel sad seeing under 3’s in daycare. Unpop opinion but it’s not great for the kids (cortisol, aggression etc) but people have to be allowed to make decisions that fit with their lives. Glass houses and all that.

Why do you feel sad? Mine were at nursery a long time before 3. They were (and are still) very happy.

Catza · 20/11/2023 16:57

Salmonspines · 20/11/2023 16:13

I’m sure they do but does anyone even look into this long term ? Childcare is used so much from such a young age - and rates of children needing camhs help has risen - is it in line with that ? Because something is causing problems later on for a lot of dc and maybe there’s a connection

Correlation does not equal causation.
I think the developmental studies are overwhelmingly in favour of early educational settings so long as the child is provided with enough stimulation, contact and affection. I would not willingly put a 7 week old into nursery but this doesn't mean that putting a child into nursery or arranging an alternative childcare at an early age will result in a mental health disorder. If anything, children were routinely looked after by relatives/"villages" in the past from a much younger age and maternity pay is a relatively new phenomenon (and doesn't exist at all in some countries) allowing children to remain in care of their parents for longer. So your theory doesn't quite hold.

To feel sad seeing a 7 week old baby at DC's nursery today
littlehorsesthatrun · 20/11/2023 16:57

There are so many reasons someone may do this. My mother went back to work when I was 2 weeks old. I’m fine. Move on with your life

EarringsandLipstick · 20/11/2023 16:57

Missingmyusername · 20/11/2023 16:38

“Ultimately it's none of your business.” Well that could go for anything on here couldn’t it.

YANBU OP but you’ll get a bashing!

Whatever the circumstances, it’s definitely too young. But then I think 15 months is too young as well. 🫣

15 months is too young to leave a child in a nursery or creche?

Are you insane? I mean, don't if you don't want to but what do you suggest all the mothers with jobs do? You can take extended leave but not that extended - and how should they pay for it?

BellaCriesAndThatsAlright · 20/11/2023 16:58

WinterDeWinter · 20/11/2023 16:56

Feminism doesn’t mean we pretend that women’s biological differences don’t exist.

it means we accommodate them such that women and the babies they bear are not negatively impacted by those differences.

Market capitalism has co-opted feminism and sold you back a lie.

But the world isn't that perfect is it? Men will always have the upper hand if they playing field isn't levelled for women.

TMess · 20/11/2023 16:58

Nicknacky · 20/11/2023 16:44

But surely even in your fortunate position on you can can see why people have to work? Or shocker, might even choose to go to work after having children?

And to be honest, I think having no time away from your children in many years is not healthy or good for you all.

Um, yes, did you read my first post? Everyone’s situations and preferences are different.

CeeChynaa · 20/11/2023 16:58

IDoughnutKnow · 20/11/2023 16:44

I love a good thread like this one.

@comfysketchers YANBU - it's monstrous to put a 7 week old baby in nursery.

However, I'm also judging you for sending your 15 month old. My DC didn't go to nursery at all, because they were better off at home with me than they would have been in a baby factory.

I don't believe any child under two benefits in any way at all from nursery, and over twos only benefit from small doses of it (if at all).

A baby factory? Get a grip

HobbleY · 20/11/2023 16:58

Yes 7 weeks is very young for a baby to be in a nursery away from his/her mother, but I have no idea of the reasons and it’s none of my business.

threecupsofteaminimum · 20/11/2023 16:59

I bet you'd have a different view if it was the dad dropping the infant off before he goes to work because the mothers absent.

EarringsandLipstick · 20/11/2023 16:59

Shopkinsprincess1986 · 20/11/2023 16:55

Hmmmm….i feel sad seeing under 3’s in daycare. Unpop opinion but it’s not great for the kids (cortisol, aggression etc) but people have to be allowed to make decisions that fit with their lives. Glass houses and all that.

More nonsense but do feel free to come back with some evidence-based research on this 🙄

Motnight · 20/11/2023 17:00

Yes Op you are the better parent 😒

Missingmyusername · 20/11/2023 17:00

@EarringsandLipstick It’s an opinion. You don’t have to like it or agree with it BUT I am entitled to it. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Notreallyhappy · 20/11/2023 17:00

The Great maternity pay that's offered hasn't been in place forever. I went back at 12 weeks. Full leave was 6 weeks full pay 6 weeks half pay then nothing. I worked until 39 weeks then back to it... because 25 years ago we had to!

WinterDeWinter · 20/11/2023 17:00

SouthLondonMum22 · 20/11/2023 16:52

What would positive change be for you? In your ideal world, what are some of the policies you would have?

well, maybe a maternity allowance that meant that no one has to put a newborn in nursery? Just thinking aloud.

BellaCriesAndThatsAlright · 20/11/2023 17:00

I can't imaging having enough spare moments to look around and judge the other parents at drop off when I took mine. I just minded my own business and got on with my day.

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