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To feel sad seeing a 7 week old baby at DC's nursery today

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comfysketchers · 20/11/2023 14:35

Dropping my 15 month old off at nursery today before work and there was another woman there at the same time handing over a 7 week old sleeping baby.

He was absolutely tiny and I just felt so sad looking at him thinking that he barely even knows he is out of the womb and his mum is dropping him off to spend all day with strangers in a noisy nursery environment.

I should also add that I live in a country that has excellent parental leave from the government plus most private companies pay at least 10 weeks of full pay on top of that, with many paying much more than that.

YABU - It’s perfectly normal for a 7 week old baby to spend 8 hours per day in a nursery.

YANBU - A 7 week old baby should be at home with its mum.

OP posts:
phoenixrosehere · 20/11/2023 16:26

isadoradancing123 · 20/11/2023 16:09

But who is judging, all the op said is that it makes her sad that such a young baby is in nursery

Calling it neglectful for the newborn to be there when OP hasn’t even thought to consider why, doesn’t know the story of the parents and is going off of miniscule knowledge, it’s judging.

WeeSleekitCowrinTimrousBeastie · 20/11/2023 16:27

LarkingLarks · 20/11/2023 16:18

Nobody forced a woman at gunpoint to have a child! If you’re mentally unfit or are supporting a drug addict, maybe don’t have kids …

Under bridge dweller post if I ever saw one

Cosywintertime · 20/11/2023 16:29

MargotBamborough · 20/11/2023 16:26

What are we voting for then?

To go back to the 50s apparently where women stayed home and raised the kids and men went to work, you know that tolerant non sexist period in our history,

SouthLondonMum22 · 20/11/2023 16:30

BreatheAndFocus · 20/11/2023 16:11

Yes, it’s sad. No, we don’t know the circumstances of the mum/parents. Someone above said that things would have to be dire for a mum to choose to do that - perhaps so, but equally some parents choose to put very young babies in daycare. There’s nothing “dire” going on so they don’t need our sympathy. They’ve made a free choice to do that.

Without more information (which obviously we’re not entitled to), we have no idea whether this was choice or necessity. If it was a choice, then yes, like many people here I do judge. I think that’s too young.

My personal opinion (nothing to do with this baby but a general view) is that daycare should have a higher minimum age and that parents should be supported to stay at home with their child. It’s a cliche but it’s a very important job. What would the minimum age be? I don’t know but somewhere in the toddler years IMO.

Forcing parents to stay at home is no better than forcing parents into work. Ideally everyone would get a choice and that choice is going to vary because people are different with different circumstances.

luckylavender · 20/11/2023 16:30

LarkingLarks · 20/11/2023 16:15

No “normal” mother would do this, at least willingly. It goes against the normal instincts of Mother Nature. I would feel sorry for the baby. I saw it at my sons nursery when he started going there a few mornings a week aged 2. There were newborn babies there 8 am till 6 pm.

Edited

Of course she's a 'normal' mother - that's so unnecessary.

gotomomo · 20/11/2023 16:30

@Chilottane

It's actually very normal in many countries to use childcare that young, I was aghast when I moved to the USA but it is the norm, leave us short and mostly unfunded so varies by state and employer.

As I've said, I personally stayed at home until my youngest was 6 years old then have worked part time. I recognise my privilege to be able to do this.

My brothers friend however had severe postnatal depression, in patient with her first so with her second she coped by using nursery from very young, it's what works for you. Let's stop judging others

C8H10N4O2 · 20/11/2023 16:30

Hey OP you missed out:
Option 3 - I'm bored, lets post a wind up thread to attack a hypothetical woman on a site supposed to be there to support parents.

Chilottane · 20/11/2023 16:31

gotomomo · 20/11/2023 16:30

@Chilottane

It's actually very normal in many countries to use childcare that young, I was aghast when I moved to the USA but it is the norm, leave us short and mostly unfunded so varies by state and employer.

As I've said, I personally stayed at home until my youngest was 6 years old then have worked part time. I recognise my privilege to be able to do this.

My brothers friend however had severe postnatal depression, in patient with her first so with her second she coped by using nursery from very young, it's what works for you. Let's stop judging others

I think it's important to separate the concept of "judging others" from a completely necessary and important conversation about what is best for young children. I haven't judged this mother individually, but I think if as a society we think it's acceptable for a 7 week old baby to be in nursery, then something is not OK and we should be allowed to talk about it without being shut down for being judgmental.

Nicknacky · 20/11/2023 16:32

Chilottane · 20/11/2023 16:15

You might have wanted to but the unpalatable fact of the matter is the most ideal situation for a young child to be raised in is one where they are at home more or less full-time with a loving primary caregiver. If you'd have been miserable at home then obviously that's not best for your child. However, I think parents who would like to stay at home with their children ought to have the choice to do so, and many don't, because the government want all adults to be working.

I wouldn’t have been miserable at home at all and my child would have dome just as well at home.

Im just saying, let’s get away from this idea that both parents are forced to work. That’s not the case in many, many families.

WhycantIkeepthisbloodyplantalive · 20/11/2023 16:32

@phoenixrosehere

Id judge too. There is absolutely nothing in this world that would cause me to hand over a 7 week old baby to a nursery. OP is right, it is incredibly sad.

MrsGalloway · 20/11/2023 16:32

fearfuloffluff · 20/11/2023 16:24

This one set the cat among the pigeons!

I agree with you op, I don't think a nursery is the right place for a baby that old. A childminder in a home environment would be better, if needed. Nurseries are too noisy and I can't imagine the baby would get 121 care.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true. The family who had to put their 6 week old in nursery as the mum was having chemo that I referred to up thread were at the same nursery as my DD. The baby room was really homely, staff were very good, there was consistency of care and it was calm and quiet. I chose it because my child was only 8 months when she went and it was the best I saw. I had concerns about childminders and a lack of scrutiny and a lack of separation from older children so I went for a nursery setting. Other people make different choices.

MargotBamborough · 20/11/2023 16:32

Cosywintertime · 20/11/2023 16:29

To go back to the 50s apparently where women stayed home and raised the kids and men went to work, you know that tolerant non sexist period in our history,

So it seems.

Interesting as well that so many posts in this thread are talking about the woman staying at home with the baby.

Maybe I missed the part of the discussion where we talked about the baby's dad staying at home for an equal period of time so that the mum doesn't torpedo her career, earning potential, promotion opportunities and pension but the baby can still be at home with one of his or her parents.

Caplin · 20/11/2023 16:32

At least most people commenting on here are sensible and compassionate.

YANBU to feel sad, but YABVU not to feel sad for Mum as well. Lots of speculation as to the reasons, frankly none of our business. That person is doing the best they can to care for their child and get through the day. Childcare is tough to find, especially with a short lead time, you take what you can sometimes.

I'm not even going to pretend she would prefer to be at home with the baby, if she has horrific PND maybe this is what saves her sanity. But most likely she is self employed, or from another country so can't access mat allowance, so has with no choice and would love to have the luxury of the options that everyone with an opinion has.

I can think of plenty of cultures where kids are either in childcare or living with grandparents at a tiny age whilst parents work. Those aren't nations of messed up kids. We all do what we have to do to get by and give our kids the best we can.

luckylavender · 20/11/2023 16:32

TMess · 20/11/2023 16:20

I can’t imagine leaving my 15 month old tbh, I have five children and at that age they’ve never yet been away from me for more than an hour or so. Luckily it’s your kid not mine and everyone’s life experience is (this may surprise you) different.

You see I find that unusual. It wouldn't have been for me but it's none of my business.

caramac04 · 20/11/2023 16:33

It was common for mothers to return to work at 6 weeks pp before maternity leave is what it is now. Mum is probably heartbroken too but even if not we shouldn’t judge. Baby might only be there one or two days a week. I would have hated this but we’re all different and have different circumstances.

Ap24 · 20/11/2023 16:33

Maternity pay is dire. If it's through choice then I have no issue with babies being in childcare from day 1. But many have to go back to work far earlier than they would like.

wokbun · 20/11/2023 16:33

MargotBamborough · 20/11/2023 16:26

What are we voting for then?

No idea.

Neriah · 20/11/2023 16:34

WinterDeWinter · 20/11/2023 16:22

If middle class educational attainments are how we assess emotional security then you’re definitely right.

What a nasty additon to a thoroughly nasty thread altogether. There's nothing wrong with being a well-rounded and well-educated young person and nothing wrong with my nephew. Being able, clever and popular is not middle class. Some of the spiteful people on here could learn much from him.

Goatymum · 20/11/2023 16:34

I would feel sad too, but I suppose it’s a matter of circumstance.

Cosywintertime · 20/11/2023 16:34

MargotBamborough · 20/11/2023 16:32

So it seems.

Interesting as well that so many posts in this thread are talking about the woman staying at home with the baby.

Maybe I missed the part of the discussion where we talked about the baby's dad staying at home for an equal period of time so that the mum doesn't torpedo her career, earning potential, promotion opportunities and pension but the baby can still be at home with one of his or her parents.

Yes, it’s all shaming the mother. The father of course bears no responsibility.

Nicknacky · 20/11/2023 16:34

TMess · 20/11/2023 16:20

I can’t imagine leaving my 15 month old tbh, I have five children and at that age they’ve never yet been away from me for more than an hour or so. Luckily it’s your kid not mine and everyone’s life experience is (this may surprise you) different.

How did you afford to do that?

MargotBamborough · 20/11/2023 16:35

Nicknacky · 20/11/2023 16:34

How did you afford to do that?

Because someone else pays the bills.

Ticklemeharder · 20/11/2023 16:35

Oh dear. My DS spent a month in hospital straight after he was born and I couldn’t be with him at all times and had to leave him occasionally in the excellent care of the nurses. He’s now a robust and very loving two year old (although completely nuts). He doesn’t appear to be traumatised by the whole experience.

Don’t be so quick to judge. You have no idea of this woman’s circumstances.

TrixieFatell · 20/11/2023 16:36

I had to put my eldest in nursery at 16 weeks. Mat leave was only 6 months then and I'd had to leave work early due to pregnancy induced illness. I felt awful leaving her but I had to go back to work. However I spent all the time I could with her, cosleeping, baby groups, cuddles day and night. She also had one key worker who she spent all her time with in baby room.

Her siblings have had a mix, one didn't go into childcare at all until she started reception the other was 15 months old. All three are secure, resilient, great self esteem and all the other markers of well attached children.

Feel sad about a 7 week old going in if you want without knowing the child's full story or homelife but don't be a dick about it. Just makes you look mean and gossipy, not great traits.

Nicknacky · 20/11/2023 16:37

MargotBamborough · 20/11/2023 16:35

Because someone else pays the bills.

Exactly…..