To think society hates children?

[Orangeandgold]

During a crisis people tend to defend children and babies, but on a day to day basis when everything is “normal” I usually find and feel so much hatred towards children.

My DD picked this up quite young too. It is small subtle everyday conversations and actions.

I would have to remind an adult not to barge past a 5 year old when there is enough space on the pavement; or people that feel that they can comment or roll their eyes at you and be malicious because you have a buggy; or general comments in conversations about “all kids are brats/ those children/why would anyone have them.”; animals are so much more loving than children …

… and the comments go on!

If you don’t want children you don’t have to have them, but we were all kids once. AIBU to feel that society in general hates children and to get upset about it every now and then? Or am I just in a pessimistic bubble? Maybe it’s also the city, people have less tolerance? I just feel nobody really looks out for each other the way we would growing up - I would have neighbours on the look out as a child but now it’s different.

There’s nearly 68 million people in the UK. Where are the facts that most people treat children with contempt?

Education as an elective issue? What’s that got to do with the issue? Surely parents should be the ones educating their children on behaviour, ethics and morals rather than teachers? Is isn’t a teachers job to raise a child.

How hard can it be for one of those two people pushing their buggy to stop, break step, for the very same 0.3 seconds and step behind the other one they've no need to take up the whole pavement between them, so it would be their own choice to "shove their child in the road"
It's the attitude that they expect other people to have to walk in the road while they're chatting away that makes eyes roll, after all if I'm walking two a breast with someone and a person walks towards us I'll always step behind, I'd never expect them to have to walk in the road because I can't be arsed to step aside until they've passed by.

I don't understand the phrase "no one is entitled to have a child".

All life on earth is evolutionarily hardwired to want to procreate, but we tell women to ignore our urges.

I find that baffling.

Having children has been the making of me and I can't get over the hatred against mothers and children.

I'd always step aside for a buggy, wheelchair user or anyone else where it's easier for me to move than them. That's common decency surely?

Don’t think any posters used the word “mute” so don’t know where you got that from. There’s a difference between well behaved and a child being loud and disruptive to others.

Great you’ve raised a child that has a voice and is respectful and engaging with adults but note not every adult wants to engage with a child hence why you might receive those being “disgusted”.

I don’t have an issue with children being in adult places after school hours but some people might and you can’t control how people feel about it.

You talk about prejudgment but it seems you have a lot of judgement of those who are around your child…

It is!! And it’s easier than manoeuvring a PITA buggy. As an able bodied person I’d never ever imagine why on Earth another able bodied person would make such a fuss instead of having their sad little victory over a fucking baby

Society hates women and it REALLY hates women with children in tow. This thread demonstrates that.

Oh god this 100%. I’ve been walking and two people have been pushing buggies and expected me to walk into the road to by pass them.

Just another entitled parent attitude .

surely it's easier and safer for you to walk in the road (unless you have mobility issues then that is different) than for someone with a buggy? It's not entitled, it's common sense .

Well, I don't hate children. I strongly dislike children who haven't been brought up properly to behave in public and be polite.

In general I'd say you're being unreasonable but I definitely experienced this the one time I took my child into London so if you're a city dweller this might be your day to day so I went with Yanbu. I live in a village and everything is very child friendly.

Everyone has a right to CHOOSE a to have a child.

Glad your child was the making of you but many people can’t have children and or choose not to have children and have no hatred towards people that have children it’s their CHOICE. Why you find that baffling?

Exactly!! Why on Earth would anyone mind, as long as it’s safe?

Words like ‘entitled’ are so loaded with sexist micro aggressions. These women are just trying to walk down the street and keep their baby safe FFS. What’s so entitled about it

Yes I have mobility issues. And a lot of people do. So should they go in to the road too? Why can’t two people pushing buggies hand the common sense to stop and let the other person by? Ah yes it’s entitlement

So because children are someone else’s choices it’s ok to hate them and be intolerant of them?

Anyway your comment doesn’t make sense. No one chose to be born and they certainly didn’t choose their parents. ND children don’t choose to be so (so many kids being written off as ‘badly behaved’ when really you have no idea). So why punish them for something they had no control over?

Entitlement to walk down the street

If you have mobility issues don’t move then if you are unable to. They won’t run you over. They’ll get the message one of them had to be move. It’s not rocket science

Presumably they could walk one behind the other, though, and still keep their baby safe. There’s a lot of buggies that travel in packs here and they will not move - it is very annoying and, yes, entitled. They could easily share the space.

Walk behind each other?

Ever thought maybe these are friends meeting up and want to talk to each other as they walk? I found when mine were tiny enough to be in a buggy my friendships were invaluable.

But then as I said society hates women, especially in multiples. Why they should have had friendships when they CHOSE to have a baby.

God in so pleased that I’m tolerant enough to think ‘it’s easier for me to just skip round them’ then to walk around seething about a baby being transported in public

Sexist micro aggression. Sure love. What about the people like with me disabilities trying to keep themselves safe. The entitlement is people pushing buggies thinking they have special treatment because they have a child and expecting everyone else to move out their way.

Anyway OP I think the hatred of children is just an extension of the hatred of women.

So someone’s wish to talk to their friend should trump someone else’s need to walk on a pavement? Surely that’s the definition of entitled, buggy or not and whoever is doing it!

Don’t need you to tell a disabled person how to move and walk down a street. Take your ableism somewhere else

Sexist micro aggression. Sure love.

Oh sweet irony

What about the people like with me disabilities trying to keep themselves safe.

Keep yourself safe then. No one is stopping you. But presumably because being in public is that much harder for you you expect more of able bodied people or people who can move more easily than you right?

The entitlement is people pushing buggies thinking they have special treatment because they have a child and expecting everyone else to move out their way

Right there is the sexism.

No one wants special treatment. They just want to get from A to B without much bother. And yea the vast majority of people are able bodied and should move Out the way. It’s common courtesy to move for those who would find it harder to move.

Take your hatred for women elsewhere

I specifically said that was different. If it's less safe for you to move into the road then don't. Let common sense prevail.
That said, you have a fair point that people with buggies have to be considerate too, not all disabilities are visible.

It’s not one or the other 🤣 why shoudl women walk like demented ducks just so you can never step to the side for a nano second?

No one is stopping you walking on the pavement. But if a less able-to-move person is coming your way then move over. Its called not being a dick

To an extent I think @Orangeandgold is right and I say this as someone who is content with being childless. I never felt children were for me as a lifestyle thing (long story lot of complicated health issues) but I like to be part of a society where there are children around. We were all kids once, they are human beings too. Treat them with kindness and they may be helped to become better people. We all need that.