Dave is Back!!!

[LadyMacB]

Dave Cameron is back in the cabinet…. desperate throw of the dice or inspired move to limit the inevitable defeat?

I'm pretty sure the point of Brexit wasn't to get rid of David Cameron. There would have been much cheaper and easier ways to do that.

Blimey that's a shock; I thought he was consigned to history. I'm wondering whether its an attempt to bring the party more to the centre which may not be a bad thing. It wouldn't convince me to vote for them though; they've caused a lot of damage and I personally haven't forgiven them for the mismanagement of the pandemic.

He wasn't solely responsible for the Brexit vote, but he sure was responsible for running away without having any input into what Brexit should look like, or fighting harder for a form of Brexit that would have been less damaging.

To be fair Cameron didn't so much run away as as jauntily trundle while humming a happy tune.

Leaving the country to "the bastards" who had ground government to a halt until they got what they wanted.

He was the one who instigated the referendum in the first place.

“Perhaps Tories are "shy" because they don't want to take any personal responsibility for how badly the country has gone downhill under the party they voted for?”

There are a lot more floaters these days though aren’t there? Just judging by my friendship group a lot of past Labour or past Tory has gone Lib Dem in the last five years and definitely post the previous Labour stint, a few ended up voting Tory due to the Iraq war. And many people could not bring themselves to vote for Corbyn.

Not everyone is firmly Red or Blue.

Tories are always quieter and on here I don’t blame them too many on the left are of the opinion they are morally superior by putting a X next to a Labour candidate when an election is called

I don’t take responsibility for the Iraq war and the awful fall out but I voted Labour even after I said I wouldn’t because of the war

Tories are also quieter when polling hence why the polls are often so wrong

Brexit should never have been put to a referendum. Certainly not without a supermajority to ensure a stable outcome.

And that's before we get into the fact that Cunty Cameon did an end-run around the legislation of referendums which made it an advisory one by "promising" to act on whatever the outcome was.

Notice how now it's getting wafer thin in the possibility of a unified Ireland vote, ministers suddenly discover a supermajority is a good idea ?

Perhaps.

But maybe they don't have the brass necks either of the Left who seem to forget Blair and the phoney war, (and his now 37 properties he's made on business deals and speeches)Brown raiding pensions, and Darling leaving a note saying the country was bust- which is what the Tories inherited.

When I read the thread title I thought Dave was a cat…

“He was the one who instigated the referendum in the first place.”

He instigated it trying to shut up the far right in his party for good and it massively backfired for the whole country. It was also the era of online persuasion and Russian influence etc; so who knows what really happened. It is still one of those very random moments in history that has had long term devastating consequences not just for Britain but for world politics and world stability.

The lesson that has to be learnt on both sides is do not tolerate any extremists in your party. You may think they are there to get votes from some extreme voters, but really they should not be in the 2 main parties. The extremists should be camped in their own minor parties.

I don't blame Brexit voters @Lobelia123

The techniques used by the Leave campaigns to to find out who could be manipulated and then manipulate them relentlessly were extremely sophisticated and had been honed by Cambridge Analytica in elections in developing countries.

I mean I wouldn't vote for the party that launched an actual Psy Op on the British people, but then I'm not in their target demographic.

The war that the Tory leader at the time would also have taken us into?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-dismay-at-howard-s-stance-on-war-526711.html

I'm happy to say I am socially conservative. A centrist. As a result I have no allegiance with any party - although I always voted Labour until about 10 years ago when they embraced identity politics. I have some centre right and centre left 'beliefs'.

I wouldn't describe myself as a Conservative though anymore than I would describe myself as a Labour supporter. I vote for party depending on the manifesto, their track record and who I think has their ear. Eg I couldn't vote for Corbyn because I didn't like Momentum. I could vote for Teresa May because I genuinely liked her as a person and what she said.

I disagree. The press was out of control and Cameron was complacent. He was responsible for educating the masses. The British public didn’t have the time or tools to individually educate themselves. Cameron stood back and watched a bunch of shysters manipulate the general public into voting remain.

I am pleased DC is back (to add to this in edit - because he is an actual grown up). I’m still fucking angry with him for allowing our country to be mortally wounded.

What’s “identity politics” @BloodyHellKen?

He’s not!!

WTAF!!

I voted Tory at the last election because I was damned if I was going to vote for Jeremy 'friend of Hamas' Corbyn. I toyed with voting LD but my disgust at Corbyn's love of Sinn Fein, Hamas, Hezbollah and his antisemitism led me to voting Tory. God knows who I'll vote next time.

Mmm, if I were a Tory who wanted to do a bit of deflecting I'd leave Iraq out of it. The Conservative party at the time were massively, massively behind it. Only two of their MPs voted no in the relevant motion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq

Well you're in luck in Islington North. The Labour candidate won't be Jeremy Corbyn this time will it? I don't even know if he plans to stand to be honest.

The irony that those who wanted to be 'free of unelected mandarins in Europe' are probably now applauding his appointment, as exactly that, is not lost.

It says so much about what Boris Johnson did to the Conservative Party that Sunak cannot find one suitable MP amongst the - you know - democratically elected people that were voted for by members of the public to represent them - members of the Conservative Party in Parliament.

I think it is utterly disgusting he's fast tracked Cameron to the Lords. It is just so undemocratic.

I wasn't a fan of Sunak's before this but thought he was an improvement on the liar Johnson and just about tolerable - this is too much for me though because it undercuts democracy at a very very sensitive time.

I know there is precedent for this (Lord Carrington) but to do it here is insanity. I object both to the anti-democratic principle but here also to the individual. Cameron fucked up with Brexit and then ran away and left a huge mess for others to sort out. On What basis should someone like that be Lords fast tracked and stuffed into one of the great offices of state.

I've always been a Conservative voter but with this shit show Sunak has lost my vote.

Yes, Iraq wasn't like gay marriage where more Tory MPs abstained or voted against than voted for it.

I struggle to think of Cameron without the comment a mumsnetter made about him looking like a freshly wanked cock.

Cant take him seriously now.

I'm a bit of left and right so find myself politically homeless at the moment as both parties have veered further to the left or right. I'd like a more proportional voting system so I could have more choice though I'm not sure how that'd work in practice. I feel its frustrating when you live in an area which is solidly of a particular persuasion making it futile voting for someone else though perhaps if everyone followed their convictions we might see change.