To think the Labour Party has lost its mind..

[Certainfailure]

Absolutely fuming with some of the clowns in the Labour Party.
25 points ahead of the Conservatives in the opinion polls.
Starmer slowly making the party electable and moving away from the reputation of the party being a left wing student activist group and terrorist supporters. The next GE theirs to lose.
And now word on the grapevine is that 40 odd MPs are ready to resign from the front bench because of they disagree with Starmer’s stance on a ceasefire. Quite a few labour councillors have already resigned from the party and now stand as independents. Big names like Rayner and Burnham have already stuck their oars in too.
Really cannot believe that a conflict thousands of miles away, albeit tragic, has now assumed more importance than the frightful state of the country. That these people are quite happy to throw away the progress that’s been made electorally for the sake of a frankly almost unsolvable conflict that’s lasted 70 plus years and is incredibly complex whilst the country is rapidly falling apart and in desperate need of change.
If Starmer resigns over this, no way will I ever vote Labour again and I say this as a life long labour voter for the last 35 years. Thought we’d seen the last of Corbyn and his vote losing influence but nope, there he is, with his little pet project, destined to scupper yet another GE for Labour. Anyone feel the same way ?

I hope you're wrong OP but yes, utterly ludicrous. Jesus wept, between the god awful Tories, and the bloody Corbynites, can we not just have a competent, non-corrupt, and (for my personal preference) slightly left of centre albeit still really quite centrist government to please run the country sensibly.

Hamas have said a lot of murderous intent things, as have Israel. This is how a war goes. It is always both sides threatening and dehumanising their enemy.

None of this means that the two would not try to abide by a ceasefire.

Israel talks about destroying Hamas, a terrorist organisation. Hamas, meanwhile, have stated and demonstrated their intentions to wipe Israel off the map entirely.

It’s ludicrous to expect Israel to agree to what would absolutely be a one-sided ceasefire, on the basis that Hamas ‘don't really mean it’.

It would be fascinating to sing out which side broke a ceasefire first wouldn't it

The whole thing in war is that neither side believes or trusts the other

Israel want fhe destruction of hamaa and are happy to take Palestine with it - hardly seems much different to a Palestinian I would suggest

No, but as a former leader of Labour, he still has a lot of influence with many Labour MP's.

I find Starmer spineless and a weak leader. I’ve voted labour all my life but I won’t be voting for them at the next election. I disagree with his stance on the current conflict and the entire ousting of Corbyn by subterfuge(irrespective of my feelings of Him as a leader). The entire anti-Semitism purge that was massively biased and allowed no criticism of Israel has also been a deal breaker for me.

Its almost as if they don't really want a Labour government because they aren't actually doing that badly under the current system.

There are lots of life long labour supporters who will now never vote labour based on the party stance of refusing to call for a ceasefire. 🤷🏽‍♀️

Bah, it won't happen, they want to get elected and it's all tittle tattle from people who have resigned and now have nowhere to go.

Vintagevixen

Khan as London mayor should be taking strong action to stamp this out, but he is doing nothing.

I really do appreciate your fear and anger, but he's not the mayor of an American city, who can order the Police around and fire the Commissioner at will. It's like the Daily Mail blaming him for knife crime etc.

Well there aren't 40 people on the Front Bench

I think that at least 40 councillors have resigned.

The Grauniad has 4 front benchers resigning and ten on watch, with emissaries trying to talk them out of it.

Why is a child dying in gaza so important to UK MPs but not one dying in Yemen, Sudan, Ethiopia, Somalia, Nigeria, Afghanistan, etc?

Why haven't these MPs resigned over the human rights abuses committed by the goverments of Iran, China, Syria, Egypt, Myanmar, etc if doing what's right is so important?

I suspect it's because our government isn't actively supporting those. @Thebestwaytoscareatory

I’m kind of thinking that MPs with large Muslim communities are focusing on the next GE and how they will fare individually. It’s more about losing that £80,000 a year job rather than party unity and winning the election. Mind boggles that the domestic situation is less important than this but if you’ve got irate constituents bombarding you with emails etc about the conflict there’s a difficult choice to make.
Risk alienating them or going along with them.

Or perhaps with large Muslim populations they are just more aware of the nature of the problem and more prepared to stand up for their electorate which is the role of the current elected mp

Yeah, I'm with the it doesn't happen squad. 40 councillors yes. Front benchers, no. They like power and their jobs. Impassioned speeches for them

@SinnerBoy I would be wondering why the 40 councillors have picked this to resign over and not any of the other conflicts or human rights abuses in the world? Plenty to chose from...
I am always pro 'you need to be in the tent pissing out rather than outside pissing in'. They would be more effectual staying put:
Let's be honest though they are easily replaced.

Possibly something to do with the fact that Israel is compact, First World country, with lots of reporters? And the massacre Hamas carried out grabbing the world's attention.

It's less easy in Yemen, where the bombing is remote and there are hardly any reporters, apart from the odd Al Jazeera correspondent. It's the same in Ethiopia, in the remote highland, where the locals are immediately suspicious of any foreigners.

I agree on this issue, but I do find the general tactic of bewailing a lack of unity by the right of the party a bit distasteful given the coordinated campaigning within the party against corbyn as leader. Including misspending money, mishandling complaints about antisemitism, and giving hostile briefings. All of which came out in the labour leaks, and is very clearly documented. It’s a long way from left mps stating their disagreement with policies publicly! If it was ok to sabotage that election then why unity above all else now?

None of this means that the two would not try to abide by a ceasefire.

Hamas have said they want a permanent state of war, and wish to repeat October 7th over and over.

As the saying goes, if someone tells you what they're like, listen.

Hamas want to wipe out all the Jews. How is that difficult to understand?

I don’t believe for one moment that’s true. One or two perhaps, certainly not any with half a brain.

Hear hear.

Anyone wanting to resign over this, Momentum supporters, Corbynites and gender woo-woo people in the Labour can fuck right off and make their own party IMO. Hopefully that would leave behind, electable sensible, centrist/centre left people who can get the country back on track.

I hail from one of the areas where a councillor has resigned over this issue - and this area has one of the largest Muslim populations in the country. While I have every sympathy with the hideous situation in the Middle East I am also of the opinion that UK councillors/politicians need to focus on domestic issues when our own country is going tits up. After all they were voted in to make a difference in this country.