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To be so frustrated with shy child?

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LolleePopp · 04/11/2023 11:16

What do you do with shy 12 year old boys???
My 12 year old DS is sooooo shy with other kids.
He says he's desperate to make friends at his new secondary school.
But he's too shy to engage with anybody.
So he's not making any friends.
He really, really wants to be friends with people. He's not a loner who prefers his own company. He's a loner who looks at everyone around him and wants to make friends but doesn't know how to.
He started secondary school in September saying he was really looking forward to starting a new school and making new friends.
8 weeks in, he's made no friends at all.
There's 1 boy who he'd like to make friends with. So I've encouraged him to invite this boy to meet up outside of school. I helped him come up with ideas to suggest. I texted the boy's mum to try and help organise something. She said her DS would be up for meeting but that she is trying to encourage her DS to be independent so she said could they sort it out between them rather than us mums organising it. I explained this to DS and encouraged him to invite this boy to meet up. But he just will not invite him, even though he wants to meet up with him. After a few weeks of me trying hard to encourage him, last night he said "I'm not going to invite him out mum, I'm just too shy to ask him".
So that's that then.
Another new boy from new school invited him out for a bike ride with him and 3 others. My DS went, and came home 3 hours later full of smiles saying he'd had a great time. But since then, the mum of one of the boys has told me that the other kids all said my DS was really quiet and didn't talk at all or engage with the rest of the kids who were all chatting and joking whilst on their bikes. She said the other kids said my DS was too quiet. Yet my DS thought he had a brilliant time with them and asked them to let him know when theyre going again as hed like to join in, but meanwhile this other mum said the other kids probably won't invite him out next time because my DS was so quiet they thought he wasn't having fun with them. When in fact he told me he had really good fun, so I relayed this to the mum, but she said "Well they've met up a few times since then but didn't invite your DS because he was so quiet". DS has seen them out cycling round together without him and looked crestfallen.
There's another boy he likes, so I've texted that mum and she told me she leaves her DS to arrange his own social life now he's started secondary. So I've told my DS this and encouraged him to invite this boy over to ours or to meet up, but again, my DS won't invite him.
He's been going to an out of school club for 1 year and hasn't made a single friend there.
He hates competitive sports, so he will not join any football or rugby groups (much to my DH's frustration - DH is not sports mad but he insists a team sport would be good for DS's confidence, but DS refuses). He tried cricket but dropped out after 2 months. I've suggested judo at my DH's suggestion - flat no, he absolutely hated the look of it when I showed him kids of his age doing judo on YouTube.
In primary, he had 5 friends but the dynamics between them in year 6 were awful, constant fall outs and unpleasant behaviour on a non stop basis, a lot of horrible behaviour aimed at him (as well as at each other) so they've all fallen by the wayside now.
DS is a brilliant person. He talks loads at home, really makes us all laugh, has amazing insight into things (insight that is superior to his age), understands people really well, has very high levels of emotional intelligence - there are so many situations on this level that he just 'gets' and can talk eloquently about things on an emotional level that other mums tell me their kids of same age can't do or don't get at all, he has lots of interests (but none them transfer in to clubs). He gets on brilliantly with his sister, who is not shy at all.
It's really weird - when he was a little boy he wasn't shy at all. He ran around with a big bright happy open expression on his face, he was born with a "Hello world!" temperament. Then around the age of 10, shyness kicked in, and 2 years later it's much worse. He's getting more shy as he gets older.
I can see that this comes across really badly to other kids.
We were out at an event the other evening, and throughout the event, several boys in his school year that know him smiled and said Hi to him on individual occasions (not a group of boys, but 1 boy, then 10 mins later another boy, etc.) and DS didn't smile back at any of them. He did reply to each of them with a hello, but he came across as so stand offish. I talked to him the next day about how he came across to them, but he just said "I'm so shy mum, I freeze and clam up when they speak to me, I hate it but I don't know what to do because I can't help it".
I've encouraged him to join clubs at school but he won't because he doesn't know anyone. Obviously I've explained that no-one knows anyone at first, but you go and then you get to know people. But he will not go.
I'm at the point where I despair.
I can see him spending 5 years at school not making any friends.
If he didn't care about friends and was happy in his own little world then I'd think fine, that's just how he is. But he tells me he really, really wants to make friends.
I've talked to his school about it and asked for their support, and they said he needs to join school clubs. That was their only solution and 3 different staff members have all said the same thing. But he won't go to these clubs.
So what do I do?!?

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maw29 · 04/11/2023 17:02

He needs a phone and for you to stop texting on his behalf.

Any friend could be put off having to text their potential friends mum to see if he wants to go out somewhere.

Frenchtoastandoj · 04/11/2023 17:03

Op he sounds so similar to my boy now a teen . It sounds like he may be attracted to kids that aren’t quite compatible. Do you have an old phone he can use as his own and just check it at home on wifi so he doesn’t use a contract - just a pay as you go ? You can and must monitor his phone .

i 100% recommend that you keep trying to help him make contacts and arrange activities . Invite boys over for movie and domino’s for example or be the driver for a trip to the cinema or the pool or to drop him into town to hang out . If the mum is saying they don’t get involved it may well be that the other kid has been asked and doesn’t want to . Ask DS which kids are quiet like him and ask one of them .

I did all of this and it worked to some degree . This year 7 and maybe 8 though are the only times you can still get away with interfering. By then the kids are genuinely doing it themselves . My son does a sport at school 3/4 times a week and at 15 this is most of his social interaction. He is happy but doesn’t hang out outside school .

mollyfolk · 04/11/2023 17:16

If he has experienced bullying his shyness could be a reaction to this. The shyness is trying to keep him safe - because he feels nervous about others accepting him. You could talk to him about this - how shyness visits him (not that he himself is shy) to keep him safe and that he can talk to his shyness and tell it that he’s ok right now - he doesn’t need the shyness there to keep him safe. Also how a big smile and looking people in the eye tell others that you like them and you want to be their friend.

But honestly if it happened after the bullying and now he is having panic attacks I’d look into getting him some counselling to help him overcome this.

Frenchtoastandoj · 04/11/2023 17:27

I should also say that I have a friend who’s 16 year old still has input from
his mum and her what’s app group . This is because he managed to get friends similar to himself though who all still need help with their social life .

Consider if not already Scouts and sports like running club or water sports - kayaking / rowing which are more individual but still make friends . Also what about something like Chess club ? Likely to attract other quiet bright kids .What clubs do school run at lunch and after school ?

Hankunamatata · 04/11/2023 17:31

See if you have a local race bmx track near you. You can loan equipment. Brilliant for making friends at own pace as its an individual sport but you train in a group. Or cyclo-cross or road racing

Hankunamatata · 04/11/2023 17:32

Scouts is good too for all different personalities

DNLove · 04/11/2023 17:41

I think therapy would help him. It sounds like anxiety and a lack of confidence and maybe a mild neuro diversity. My son can be similar and is having therapy. Start with child therapy and build his confidence. They will also notice if there is some ND there. Or even as a starting point a drama club that may help him express himself.

LolleePopp · 04/11/2023 17:51

Thanks for the replies everyone.
Can I just make it fundamentally clear that I have not told him he is shy. I have not used that word around him. I think he IS shy, but he doesn't know I think that as I don't let it show.
He describes himself as shy.
We just went for a walk together.
Hecsaid his self confidence is going down.
He said he wanders around by himself at lunchtimes, just walking around feeling lost.
He said he wants to be walking around with some friends, even just one friend.

He said he saw someone else that was walking around by themselves and he wanted to go up to him to say hi but just didn't know how to.
Whilst we were walking, he said "In year 6 Harry told me that he goes home and vomits after looking at my face, remember he said it to me a lot when I had just started year 6". Then he said "And remember in year 6 when Ben kept telling me that you're really ugly mum, he said I had the ugliest mum in the whole school". Then he said "And remember in year 5 when I'd only just started in October, when Chloe who I'd been best friends with for 5 years turned on me and told me she hates me and that everyone in the whole year group hated me, and that I was ugly and that she felt sick when she looked at my face. I really believed her, because she'd been my good friend since I was 4, I really loved her, I thought we'd be friends forever. She looks at me now at school like I dont exist".
It all came out from no-where on our walk.
He said "What if new people in year 7 think this of me too?" And his eyes were full of tears.
Ben and Chloe are in his year group at New secondary school. Harry went to a different school but remains on the scene in the area we live in.
I tried really hard to work with the school at the time but they told DS to 'Just stay away from them'.
The mother of Chloe shouted at me in the playground at pick up in year 5 for 'Telling lies to the school about Chloe' and shouted at me that my DS 'Is a liar and I will tell Chloe never to speak to your DS again". This was right in front of DS and I will never forget the look of absolute horror on his face. He wasn't lying. He was telling the truth. There were 2 witnesses who testified against Chloe and backed up what DS said she said to him.
Chloe, Ben and Harry are all big players on the year 7 texting scene and group chats. Chloe has already been bullying another boy via WhatsApp and Snapchat after getting his number from someone else.
I hear you all telling me to get DS a phone, but I feel like I'd be signing DS up to more mental health damage. I KNOW Harry, Ben and Chloe will get his number.
OK you can block them after they've texted, but once he's seen an initial horrible message from them, it will already have done damage.

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LolleePopp · 04/11/2023 17:52

A few have mentioned drama.
He's been going to drama every week for 1 year.

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Frenchtoastandoj · 04/11/2023 17:54

What’s pastoral support like at his new school ? I think you need their help to deal with this past bullying .

Ontheperiphery79 · 04/11/2023 17:56

I'd get him some support for his anxiety, get him a phone and stop micromanaging his social interactions (including stopping texting other Mums and trying to set things up/discussing your kids' meet ups.

LolleePopp · 04/11/2023 17:59

Frenchtoastandoj · 04/11/2023 17:54

What’s pastoral support like at his new school ? I think you need their help to deal with this past bullying .

Terrible. Appalling.
All their pastoral posts are vacant.
The Head told me the entire pastoral team left in July, that they're advertising but can't recruit due to no applications.
When we visited and chose the school they had a full pastoral care team. Little did I know that after accepting an offer of a place, there was a mass exodus.

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Frenchtoastandoj · 04/11/2023 18:00

He needs to find ‘his people ‘ OP and he needs your encouragement to talk to the other boy wandering around on his own . It’s fantastic that he is talking to you , don’t underestimate that

DogFish632 · 04/11/2023 18:01

Gosh - your update changes everything.

The poor boy is traumatised and is being forced into a social world with his tormentors.

No wonder he's shut down. It sounds like safety behaviour.

I would seriously think about moving schools. Not sure there's any coming back from history like that.

Frenchtoastandoj · 04/11/2023 18:04

Also seen update - move school if you can

LolleePopp · 04/11/2023 18:05

DogFish632 · 04/11/2023 18:01

Gosh - your update changes everything.

The poor boy is traumatised and is being forced into a social world with his tormentors.

No wonder he's shut down. It sounds like safety behaviour.

I would seriously think about moving schools. Not sure there's any coming back from history like that.

He doesn't want to change schools.
We explored different options of schools.
DS was very clear he wanted to go to this school. We talked about it a LOT.
He said he was determined not to be forced out of the school he wants to go because of 2 horrible kids.

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DogFish632 · 04/11/2023 18:14

I respect that, but it isn't just "two horrible kids". Assuming you've accurately recorded what happened in your last post, it was a public humiliation and betrayal which has left him reeling as to his self-worth, and unable to join in with the social world of the school in the normal way (phone use) - further compounding his isolation.

This isn't normal teen stuff.

Maybe this isn't a decision he should be making unilaterally.

I mean this kindly. I can see you've both been through a terrible time.

Etincelle · 04/11/2023 18:24

Is there a library he can go to at lunch time? Shy kids can often find each other there. Have the school said there's nowhere available at lunchtime for kids to go who need a bit of extra help? Schools often have places for kids who are struggling a bit.

JMSA · 04/11/2023 18:33

My middle girl is particularly shy. I always tell her that even if she can't find the words, a smile on its own can be enough.
If a child comes across as unfriendly (even if they're really not!), then they're going to repel others.

Quisto · 04/11/2023 18:39

Send him to Scouts. He'll find other boys from his school (hopefully), and they won't be the cool, nasty kids. My son knows boys from y7, 8 and 9 through scouting. It's usually a nice mix of children and absolutely beneficial for shy boys who don't have a lot of self confidence.

LolleePopp · 04/11/2023 18:40

DogFish632 · 04/11/2023 18:14

I respect that, but it isn't just "two horrible kids". Assuming you've accurately recorded what happened in your last post, it was a public humiliation and betrayal which has left him reeling as to his self-worth, and unable to join in with the social world of the school in the normal way (phone use) - further compounding his isolation.

This isn't normal teen stuff.

Maybe this isn't a decision he should be making unilaterally.

I mean this kindly. I can see you've both been through a terrible time.

We did really, really talked A LOT about which secondary school to go to.
We talked about Chloe and Ben going to the same school as him.
He was certain he wasn't going to go to a different school because of these 2.
Ben has stopped bullying now.
Unfortunately Chloe remains vile and is bullying other kids, but is ignoring DS, which some might argue is a form of bullying in itself but she isn't actively targeting him anymore. DS said he isn't going to allow her to stop him going to his school of choice. But every time she stares right through him like ge doesn't exist at school he said tonight it makes him feel bad.
We strongly encouraged other schools, looked around them with him, but he was adament he wanted to go to this one.
DH and I have talked to him over the past week offering the option of changing schools, and he's very clear he doesn't want to.

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LolleePopp · 04/11/2023 18:47

Quisto · 04/11/2023 18:39

Send him to Scouts. He'll find other boys from his school (hopefully), and they won't be the cool, nasty kids. My son knows boys from y7, 8 and 9 through scouting. It's usually a nice mix of children and absolutely beneficial for shy boys who don't have a lot of self confidence.

I'm really interested in scouts. To me it sounds great.
But DS says he has heard kids in Yr 7 saying "The dorks and misfits go to scouts".
Is this how scouts is seen??
Can someone educate me on scouts?

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SpringingJoy · 04/11/2023 18:48

I hear you all telling me to get DS a phone, but I feel like I'd be signing DS up to more mental health damage. I KNOW Harry, Ben and Chloe will get his number.
OK you can block them after they've texted, but once he's seen an initial horrible message from them, it will already have done damage

You'll do him more long term damage by keeping him isolated op, which is what he is now.

You need to help teach him resilience and improve on his self image and self worth, not keep him hidden away to protect him.

SpringingJoy · 04/11/2023 18:54

The fact is op, it doesn't matter what his hobby or activity is...as long as there are other kids there his age. He will meet people, have to engage with people, work with them, take breaks with them.

Football, rugby, basketball, tennis, cricket, life guarding, ping pong. Sea Cadets, Air Cadets, Army Cadets. Scouts. Choir, Chess club, Science club, debating. It doesn't matter, just get him in one (or several). Whatever options he prefers out of a list you present him with.

darlingsweetpea · 04/11/2023 18:57

@LolleePopp I'm so sorry I haven't read all the comments so this may have been suggested but this sounds like it could be selective mutism. Once I knee my dd had it, I started to find some books to show her ways to be brave and how to make friends. It's so hard and utterly heartbreaking as a parent.

Selective mutism doesn't mean mute all the time. Just in certain situations and environments. My dd is in the playground.