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to pronounce the name ‘Ciarán’?

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Mummy2Sienna · 02/11/2023 21:09

I’ve heard ‘KEER-on’ all day on Radio 4, and just now ‘’Keer-ON’. (It’s the Irish spelling of ‘Kieren’ and pronounced as such).

Don’t the BBC have people to teach them how to pronounce names? I can think of a couple of famous Ciaráns. It’s not THAT unusual a name!!

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Theoriginalmrscillianmurphy · 16/11/2023 20:17

@KrisAkabusi I live in Ireland. Only ever heard kee Ron.

KrisAkabusi · 16/11/2023 20:27

Kieran and Ciaran are pronounced the same, the way you write Kee Ron. If it has a fada i.e. Ciarán, it's pronounced Kier awn. It's not down to accent, dialect or anything else, the Irish pronunciation is unchanging. Fada = elongated vowel.

LizzieAnt · 17/11/2023 09:09

Yes, a fada does work to alter a vowel sound, but it does not follow that Irish pronunciation is unchanged between dialects @KrisAkabusi.

Pronunciation differerences are part of the difference between the dialects (which also have differences in vocabulary and grammar). Listen to the link below of the pronunciation of the word oileán (island). You can hear the á being pronounced differently by the Ulster speaker. The same difference in pronunciation occurs in the name Ciarán - it's a dialectal difference in pronunciation.

https://www.teanglann.ie/en/fuaim/Oile%C3%A1n

Irish Pronunciation Database: Oileán

How to pronounce 'Oileán' in Irish

https://www.teanglann.ie/en/fuaim/Oile%C3%A1n

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