to pronounce the name ‘Ciarán’?

[Mummy2Sienna]

I’ve heard ‘KEER-on’ all day on Radio 4, and just now ‘’Keer-ON’. (It’s the Irish spelling of ‘Kieren’ and pronounced as such).

Don’t the BBC have people to teach them how to pronounce names? I can think of a couple of famous Ciaráns. It’s not THAT unusual a name!!

I find it almost impossible to believe there is not one Irish person working in the BBC that they could have checked with.

I find it almost impossible to believe there is not one Irish person working in the BBC that they could have checked with.

As @LizzieAnt has explained above, their pronunciation would depend on which part of Ireland they were from.

It's driving me nuts. It's a quick word eg no real emphasis on either syllable. Not this Kier-on business.

Ciaran and Ciarán are pronounced differently. Ciaran is pronounced much the same as Kieran, which is the anglicised version of Ciarán.

They have, or used to have, a pronunciation unit, which hasn’t stopped newsreaders regularly pronouncing ‘Taoiseach’ as ‘tee-sack’ and ‘Dáil’ as ‘Doyle’.

But dáil pretty much is pronounced "doyle"? I wouldn't quibble with that.

No it's not. It's dawl in all dialects except ulster and more daaahl in ulster (I'm not very good on the ulster dialect).

Strictly speaking yes, but I do know a Ciaran (no fada) who still says Keer-AWN.

In general, plenty of people leave the fada out and still pronounce their name as if it were there - Sean instead of Seán, Donal instead of Dónal, Orla for Órla for example. 17% of baby Seán/Seans registered in Ireland last year didn't bother with the fada. There were 15 Orlas and 5 Órlas. And outside Ireland the fada is used much more rarely.

I never really know how a fadaless Ciaran wants his name pronounced unless he tells me.

Few questioning it on Twitter

Btw, the Irish language doesn't have the letter K in it. It consists of just 18 letters. The á lengthens the sound of the last syllable.

It's just slapdash of the BBC not to pronounce it correctly just as they would learn to pronounce names of any other language.

Totally agree. If it's spelled Kieran or Ciarán, I know how it's pronounced. Ciaran could be either depending on the owner's preference but the word as written should be pronounced the same as Kieran.

It's par for the course with them and british politicians. None of them would ever bother spelling Charlie Haughey's surname correctly but would bend over backwards with non-Irish foreign names.

@Mummy2Sienna have a listen https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+pronounce+storm+cairan&rlz=1C1FKPE_en-GBGB938GB938&oq=how+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqCAgAEEUYJxg7MggIABBFGCcYOzIICAEQRRgnGDsyBggCEEUYOzIGCAMQRRg5MgYIBBAAGAMyBggFEAAYAzIGCAYQABgDMgYIBxAAGAMyBggIEAAYAzIGCAkQABgD0gEJNDY1NmowajE1qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

the only one I heard pronouncing it correcrly yesterday was Carole the weather girl on bbc1

Except that is how to pronounce Ciaran not Ciarán. The storm is named Ciarán.

It's even spelt incorrectly as Storm Ciaran in the clip.

Keer awn is how I'd pronounce it.
Irish living in Ireland.

@2jacqi that's not the same name, the fada is missing off the name and in the pronunciation

😆 😆 Or tea-sock!

The newsreader on the BBC called it Keer awn last night. I don’t know her name but she got it right. First one I heard.

I’m in Glasgow and pronounce it Key-rin.

The name Kieran is more like key rin but really more kier in.

Ciarán is always kier awn because of the fada over the a.

I’ve heard Ciaran (no fada) pronounced both ways.

Unfortunately, I think many people drop the fade simply because others won't bother with it eg Seán, even though without the fade it's a completely different word. At least Ciaran works as Kieran without a fada. In my lifetime I never knew an Órla so that fada seems to have been commonly dropped a long time ago whereas Sean as Seán is more recent, but also incorrect. It's a shame but I know some people feel you can use whatever spelling and pronunciation you want so what can you do! I still silently judge

That will be Garoddin then ;)

Well to complicate matters - this storm was named by the British met office, not Irish, and they have added the names of their staff into the list - so it’s been confirmed Cairan storm is named after a bloke who lives in Britain and works at the met office. To solve this- we need to get him on the radio and ask him his name. His pronunciation is the correct one for this storm.

Look 🤣🤣.... It's prounced KEER -ON - the fada exaggerates the ON to AWNNN.

I'm Irish I live in Ireland I have a Ciarán.

I have heard so many pronunciations on the tv of Kee - Ron, Key - air - on, Car - anne, Car - on, I even heard a See - air - an ??

Hopefully that clears it up 😅🤣