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Aibu to think my parents are still biological

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Dontknowwhoiamrightnow · 01/11/2023 10:51

Last week I urgently needed my birth certificate. I couldn't find it, so ordered a copy.
A few days later the post arrives and there is a letter to say that the information I provided for the birth certificate didn't match, but they checked some other files and the certificate is enclosed.
It's an ADOPTION certificate!!! I have an adoption certificate.
I had no idea I had even been adopted!!
Backstory-: I lived with my "mum and dad". I had my mum's maiden name at birth.
My parents told me that my name was changed to my dad's surname when they got married two years after birth.
I was told this was so that we could all have the same name.
This was In the 1980's.
My mum does look like me and my kids, so I think she is my biological mum.
AIBU to think that my parents are my biological parents and they became my adopters, just to change my name OR is it reasonable to think that my dad is not my real dad.
I know, I'm clutching at straws, it seems more than likely he's not my real dad.... How do I make sense of it all? Is there really any chance they are both my bio parents and the adoption was just to make me legitimate?
I'm in bits right now and don't know what to do xxx

OP posts:
BertieBotts · 03/11/2023 00:35

That makes sense. Thanks!

Panastasia · 03/11/2023 00:39

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Saggypants · 03/11/2023 00:56

I know you're being thoughtful towards your parents while your father is bereaved but unless his mum died VERY recently, i.e. within days, I think you have a right to put your own need for answers ahead of their feelings about that. (And I assume it wasn't super recent if you're asking your uncle questions?)

After all, they have chosen to keep this secret from you your whole life, with the fairly foreseeable consequence that you would find out one day once you either requested your BC or did a DNA test. I'm sure they're somewhat prepared for the conversation.

WearyAuldWumman · 03/11/2023 01:37

AblationQ · 01/11/2023 11:16

My mum was born to her ‘out of wedlock teenage mother’ and automatically given her mums last name.
Two years later when her bio parents married, my mum was issued a new BIRTH certificate to match up with her parents married surname.

So this is a similar story to what you have been told but my mum was issued a new birth certificate. She was born in Scotland though if that makes any difference?

In Scotland, it was certainly the case in the early 20th Century that births were legitimised and a note placed on the birth registration when the parents married. (I've seen this on the Scotland's People website when looking up family info.)

WearyAuldWumman · 03/11/2023 01:39

Saggypants · 03/11/2023 00:56

I know you're being thoughtful towards your parents while your father is bereaved but unless his mum died VERY recently, i.e. within days, I think you have a right to put your own need for answers ahead of their feelings about that. (And I assume it wasn't super recent if you're asking your uncle questions?)

After all, they have chosen to keep this secret from you your whole life, with the fairly foreseeable consequence that you would find out one day once you either requested your BC or did a DNA test. I'm sure they're somewhat prepared for the conversation.

Yes. OP needs to ask while she can.

My husband was in his 20s when he finally saw his birth certificate. He never did get all the answers because his Dad had died and his Mum just burst into tears. Turned out he'd been brought up by his grandfather and step-gran.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 03/11/2023 01:47

WearyAuldWumman · 03/11/2023 01:37

In Scotland, it was certainly the case in the early 20th Century that births were legitimised and a note placed on the birth registration when the parents married. (I've seen this on the Scotland's People website when looking up family info.)

It is/was the same in England when a birth is re-registered.

If the father wasn’t on the original certificate, or even if people were given wrong information (this happened to DHs great aunt - she was told her sons father couldn’t be on the birth cert as they weren’t married and they had to adopt him) then adoption happened instead.

Itsjustagoogleaway · 03/11/2023 02:11

Maybe your dad isn’t your biological dad and your first birth certificate didn’t have his name on.
He may have formally adopted you after your parents got together.
In order for you to have your dads surname he would have to be named on your first birth certificate. They would not have to be married in order to do this. If they weren’t married then both would have to go to the registry office and give the chosen surname.

Itsjustagoogleaway · 03/11/2023 02:17

Littlemisscatlover · 02/11/2023 21:32

Years ago if you wasn’t married when your babies were born then they recommended that the baby took the fathers name rather than the mothers. If the baby was given the mothers name and then the two parents married, the baby would still have the mothers maiden name. This then meant that both the parents had the marital name and the baby had a different surname.
so somewhere along the line the baby would need the surname changing which was often done by way of adoption by the father.
my first baby was born in 1993 and I gave him the fathers name so that when we married we all had the same name. They advised us this at the registry office at the time of registering the baby.
things are more relaxed now a days but back then marriage usually came before the babies and things were a little more difficult to amend.

Interesting.
I didn’t take my husbands name when we married although our kids do have his name.
Married 1998. No one ever mentioned it was an issue.

Islandermummy · 03/11/2023 02:17

I'm sorry, I haven't read all the responses so this might already have been said: it used to be the case that single people couldn't adopt. So, say if your dad is not your biological dad and wanted to adopt you, your mum and dad would have to adopt you as a couple even though your mum is actually your biological mum! So your mum would adopt you, even though she was already your mum

Sorry you're having such a disconcerting time, and hope you get to a good resolution!

Itsjustagoogleaway · 03/11/2023 02:22

It’s definitely worth asking though OP.
My dad never had a birth certificate, born Ireland sometime around the 1930s.
When he died the probate came back with two names.
The one we knew him by and another name with formally before it
for example John Smith…formally James Green.
We have no idea what that other name was all about.
We have no way of finding out except for going to Ireland around all the churches to find someone baptised sometime in the early 1930s with the same name.

Its upsetting as the surname isn’t even the same as my surname apart from anything else.

Whatafliberty · 03/11/2023 02:33

It used to be that if father wasn't originally on birth certificate, and couple not married at time of registration, the parents had to adopt tgheir own child. If you look like the rest of your family this may well be the case. I

Mammyplease · 03/11/2023 03:03

It is possible for siblings to be born within a year. So would depend on the month of birth for each sibling. Has the OPs sister got a birth certificate? Maybe they're both in the same situation and have adoption certificates.

Mamanyt · 03/11/2023 03:11

BertieBotts · 03/11/2023 00:01

@Mamanyt it's not just about a name though, there are also legal reasons to want a child registered as a child "of the marriage" - seems archaic today but maybe 40 years ago it didn't.

I remember reading that it is relevant today if the couple have some children born outside of the marriage and some children born within it. So in that situation e.g. if OP has younger siblings, then it could have been very likely that it would have been strongly advised to them to have OP re-registered as a child of the marriage. Adoption could have been the "legal" way to do that (I'm not familiar with the scenario to say).

I quite agree. I only mentioned the name change specifically since the OP wondered about it.

Adam1630 · 03/11/2023 07:06

As adoptive parents we are fairly familiar with this sort of stuff. Firstly you should of course talk to your parents, but if this is not possible birth records are accessible here https://www.gov.uk/adoption-records

Adoption records

If you were adopted you can access your birth records or get on the Adoption Contact Register to find birth relatives - how to apply, forms and information for birth relatives

https://www.gov.uk/adoption-records

bumblebeemumma · 03/11/2023 07:38

Similar still happens now. My partner and I are not married. He is on our 1 and 2 year old daughters birth certificates already but we were told if we ever decide to get married we have to re-register them. I’m assuming that just generates an updated Birth certificate though, not an adoption certificate.

Sugarfree23 · 03/11/2023 08:01

The various comments on here are making me think there are different 'rules' depending on dates, ie laws changed at different times.
I can't help wonder if the rules were and possibly still are different if the father is named on the birth certificate. Could it be if the father wasn't named and they later married it was treated the same as a step-father? But done differently if he was named

Going back to the 1930s Scotland, I know someone with a birth cert only naming the single mother and a court amendment naming the father a few months later. The father never played any part in the child's up bringing.

GRex · 03/11/2023 08:14

A family member had this, though much longer ago. It was only that his parents were not married, so his dad had to adopt him when they married. Try not to worry too much until you finish looking into it.

pollymere · 03/11/2023 08:25

I suspect you were taken into care at birth as your Mother was unmarried. She then had to adopt you to get you back as you may have been adopted at birth by someone else or similar. This would strike me as the most obvious solution.

SunshineYay · 03/11/2023 08:31

pollymere · 03/11/2023 08:25

I suspect you were taken into care at birth as your Mother was unmarried. She then had to adopt you to get you back as you may have been adopted at birth by someone else or similar. This would strike me as the most obvious solution.

Why would you be taken into care just because your 20 year old mother was unmarried? Especially in the 80s. You have 6 weeks to register a birth so a bio dad has plenty of time to go with the mum to register the birth. The only reasons he might not be able to is if he doesn't want to be on the bc or he's out of the country or he's in hospital etc.

Once married you'd only have to re register the bc. You wouldn't have to adopt unless you were the step dad.

Very odd OP doesn't have any baby photos though. Maybe the mum is telling the truth about losing them, but none of her other family members have copies?

Sugarfree23 · 03/11/2023 08:34

pollymere · 03/11/2023 08:25

I suspect you were taken into care at birth as your Mother was unmarried. She then had to adopt you to get you back as you may have been adopted at birth by someone else or similar. This would strike me as the most obvious solution.

Unlikely to have been taken into care, adopted by another family then returned. Thats beyond far fetched.
Adoption cuts all legal ties to the birth family. The odds of a family adopting a tiny baby then relinquishing within 2years is wild.

It is possible that someone within the family cared for her but I still think that is unlikely.

I think the story of the photos getting lost is possibly true. Film and developing was pricy. People would use film sparingly and potentially let the film lie in the camera too long destroying the film.

I know a '90s baby who only has grandparents photos because mum couldn't afford them.

Uggquestion · 03/11/2023 08:40

It seems likely that this is just how it worked for unmarried mothers at the time.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 03/11/2023 08:53

Sugarfree23 · 03/11/2023 08:01

The various comments on here are making me think there are different 'rules' depending on dates, ie laws changed at different times.
I can't help wonder if the rules were and possibly still are different if the father is named on the birth certificate. Could it be if the father wasn't named and they later married it was treated the same as a step-father? But done differently if he was named

Going back to the 1930s Scotland, I know someone with a birth cert only naming the single mother and a court amendment naming the father a few months later. The father never played any part in the child's up bringing.

There were differences.

it also depended what people knew, or believed, the law was. DH’s great aunt was told by a priest she’d have to register the baby herself and then they’d have to adopt him later. They actually both could have and then reregistered once married, but they didn’t know that and believed the priest was correct.

A court amendment like that sounds like a father who refused to put his name on and was taken to court by the mother. Once maintenance was granted the father’s name was often put on the certificate to remove the shame of no father for the child

CaptainMyCaptain · 03/11/2023 09:07

pollymere · 03/11/2023 08:25

I suspect you were taken into care at birth as your Mother was unmarried. She then had to adopt you to get you back as you may have been adopted at birth by someone else or similar. This would strike me as the most obvious solution.

This is the least likely thing to happen. It was the 1980s not the 1950s. They didn't routinely take babies off unmarried mothers in the 1980s.

CaptainMyCaptain · 03/11/2023 09:09

I think the story of the photos getting lost is possibly true. Film and developing was pricy. People would use film sparingly and potentially let the film lie in the camera too long destroying the film. This is true. My husband (older than the OP) only has one picture of himself as a child. Many people of the OP's age only have school photos.

firef1y · 03/11/2023 09:11

Gingernaut · 01/11/2023 11:00

At some point, the biological father DID have to formerly adopt his biological child after marriage, but I'm not sure when that was, or what the law says now

It's possible, but you'd need a DNA test to be sure.

I was born in the early 70s and yes I was adopted by my own parents after they got married. But I didn't have an adoption certificate, my birth certificate was re-issued with my parents surname. (Baby had to take the Mothers surname if parents weren't married)

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