ANOTHER Rochdale Grooming gang - beyond horrific.

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What is wrong with these men, ffs. Those poor poor girls. The abuse and assaults. They are children, why why why did this happen.

BBC Article to the sentencing

@Smoochie4Eva at 12 I was going into town or the local village or to ride my horse or meet with friends in McDonald's
My friend was groomed, she was vulnerable and believed he was her boyfriend. I refused to get a lift home with him once thankfully and ended up having to give evidence in court

It came out because I told my mum about her "boyfriend" and my mum rang the police
Turns out he had raped and assaulted his daughters, step daughters and about half the girls on the estate along with possession of indecent images. He was sentenced to 18 years if I remember rightly

Yet still - in prison, he was able to send a letter to me about what he was going to do to me when I got out. I was 14 then

If I recall correctly the case which was dramatised a few years ago with Maxine Peake, the men told the girls if they told anyone they would kill their family?

It's beyond sickening though, it really is. Those poor children

Dozens of cases of white paedophiles in the press in the last couple of weeks and OP only starts a thread when Asian men are involved.

The selective outrage on MN is standard.

It will be the tip of the iceberg, and it’ll be all the same contributing factors that it always ever has been.

it is part of their culture they teach their sons and nephews,

apparently white girls are either slags or whores !!!!
as told to my teen DD. i regret not going to the police.
Certain religions are against our culture as too lenient. they don't want their women to be like us.

why are we not clamping down on this?

Part of whose culture - do you mean the culture of men in general?
Not all of the men in this article are from the same background as far as I can tell.

To the person who wants to highlight a woman's involvement in Newcastle - was it actually a biological woman?

All except one. The other raping gangs were from the same background. These are facts.

Yes, they’re mostly white. White culture has a lot to answer for it seems.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a820725e5274a2e87dc0c4f/number-convicted-sexual-offenders-by-ethnicity-tables.xlsx

I almost feel we are at the point where any interaction between a girl under 18 and an unrelated male over 30 unless for educational or work purposes should just flat out banned. Men need to leave teenaged girls alone.

It's white British girls that are targeted. These men who mostly work in takeaways or as taxi drivers think the girls are worthless. Police are worried about being called racist thats why it keeps happening

but it’s not so much that women are “less likely” to be abusers, it’s that it is so significantly less likely. Can you imagine a group of women taking their daughters to pick up young lads in school uniform to then force them to have sex? Because that’s what happened in Rochdale. And one of the girls who was herself abused got prosecuted for supposedly grooming others. She was very much a victim herself.

of course all abuse of children is abhorrent but I get so annoyed at people saying “yeah but women do it too” when cases with women are extremely rare.

Sikh girls were also targeted - not just white. (I wasn’t aware until recently).

Rape implies that consent could have been given and then the situation is looked at who is telling the truth. Penetrative sex as a crime means that there isn't a circumstance were it would be ok. Many men, over 30 get away with raping 14-18 year olds because it is decided that consent was given. We should never say that it's ok to have sex with 12/13 year olds and that they can give consent. We need the difference in law.

You have to take into account totals of these demographics alongside that data.

Take 20A of sexual assault on a female.

Asian = 243 with a demographic based on the census collection. of 9% of population (including females - can’t find males only for ethnicity) meaning 0.004% of Asian people.

White = 858 with a demographic based on the census collection. of 81% of population (including females - can’t find males only for ethnicity) meaning 0.0001% of white people.

Someone better than I with stats may come to a different conclusion but stats are important to address issues. Same as we know based on stats that 99.9% of sexual assaults are committed by males. Some good men may be upset by that figure but it shows the issue lies with the male sex, that’s important to define to seek improvement.

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest

It's endemic in Rochdale and has been for decades - I grew up elsewhere in the borough. In the late 80s when I was at secondary school I was asked to play in the local youth orchestra which rehearsed in a school on Whitworth Road (where one of the flats in this latest incident was) on a Friday night from 7pm to 9pm. My dad worked nights, and my mum didn't drive and had to look after my younger brother, so I started going on the bus - one into Rochdale, then a 15 min wait at the bus station for a bus out. I got so much hassle from young Anglo-Asian men (men, not boys) in the bus station that my parents started paying for a taxi for me to get there and back because nobody lived near me who could take me.

But the problem continued because I then started to get hassle from the taxi drivers - offering to treat me to takeaways on the way home, go for a drink etc - I was fourteen! So then my mum had to take me and my brother on two buses so that I could rehearse, and they had to hang around in an empty school until I finished, and then get two buses home. It wasn't sustainable, and I had to stop going. Rochdale Council isn't fit for purpose - it hasn't been for years. The Pakistani men had a monopoly on taxi firms in the area, and a large proportion of the local councillors were Pakistani, who run things to their own advantage, mainly for things like licences and planning applications. Places like Milkstone Rd, Deeplish, Falinge etc are exclusively Pakistani - there is no effort to mix cultures. There are similar cultural splits in places like Oldham and Bolton, and each has their problems, but I'm yet to hear of similar cases to this awful extent in those boroughs. The only good thing is that Sara Rowbotham is now a local councillor - I just hope she tries to keep things in check.

This is 💯 true

Nowhere that justifies grown men raping their daughters, I imagine.

These are the times I wish for the American sentencing system.

How can they get such little time for those horrific acts that will stay with these girls for an eternity ☹️.

@PauliesWalnuts I am from Glasgow and similar to you if I happened to be waiting for a bus on my own in town (I had a Saturday job in a shop when I was 15 - 16) especially in the evening Asian guys would drive by me, stop the car and try and get me to go in the car with them. I was obviously a young teenager and these were men in their mid to late 20's in flash cars.

I had a nice family and loving home to go to but I can imagine the attention and flattery might have been disarming to someone in not so happy a situation who was vulnerable. I always felt very uncomfortable with them doing this and would ignore them and finally started getting the train, which was more expensive home instead.

I could say more about my experiences but I have to say I doubt this sort of thing only happens in Rochdale.

These women are so far removed from 'normal', that their judgment, their moral compass - call it what you will, is utterly skewed

If abuse, pain and suffering are all you've ever known, then cooperatingsand continuing they cycle is normal

Given a chance to gain favour with their abusers and they'll take it

It's the same mentality with women who abuse their daughters in law, women 'cutters' who shred the genitals of young girls and babies, wives and partners who allow the degradation and abuse of their own children by their partners

I'm not saying it's right, by any means

Socially, these people exist in another, parallel society, completely socially isolated from the mainstream

Horrifying topic but interesting thread.

Culture and ethnicity are relevant but only in terms of understanding how criminals perpetrate so we can stop them. Different methods are used by different criminals. As others have pointed out, the common denominator is the sex of the offender. The underlying psychology that women are lesser is what matters.

The western expectation that women are groomed to within an inch of their lives is the flip side of the same coin that demands women dress modestly. Both are based on the idea that women are defined in terms of their value to men and seeks to control their sexual availability. Yes the UK has better equality laws and better protections for women undoubtedly but as many women sadly know, there are a great deal of men out there who abuse women and children.

A very alarming you.gov study conducted with the End Violence Against Women Coalition found:

•	A third (33%) of people in Britain think it isn’t usually rape if a woman is pressured into having sex but there is no physical violence
•	A third of men think if a woman has flirted on a date it generally wouldn’t count as rape, even if she hasn’t explicitly consented to sex (compared with 21% of women)
•	A third of men also believe a woman can’t change her mind after sex has started
•	Almost a quarter (24%) think that sex without consent in long-term relationships is usually not rape (1).

We have to be very careful not to confuse cultural patterns with prevalence. Many white abusers groom through existing relationships or online, making it much harder to spot.

The real sadness here is that it was actually very visible but no one cared for so long. Says a lot about how we view the more vulnerable in our society, which most of these girls were.

The problem is men and their cross-cultural belief that they are entitled to control women.