ANOTHER Rochdale Grooming gang - beyond horrific.

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What is wrong with these men, ffs. Those poor poor girls. The abuse and assaults. They are children, why why why did this happen.

BBC Article to the sentencing

@WandaWonder I know that with some of the cases (don't know about this one)the girls were in care and the staff were not allowed to stop them going with the men. Don't know of that law has changed . Another I read that a dad had called the police numerous times to get his daughter away from the men and the police did nothing and he got threatened, she wouldnt/couldnt leave.(Could you imagine ?) I think I would think dark thoughts if it happened to one of mine (cant say on here as will get banned ).

To Psychodancehall there was a news story about the same thing here in Ireland where young girls in care had men in cars picking them up outside the care homes and seems like the same thing happening, very vulnerable girls and these men prey on them and pretend they are their boyfriend and before they know it they are trapped in the cycle of drugs and grooming and being passed around to these vile men. No more stories on it recently and all hushed up and bet it will be a big news story in the future but nothing to prevent it now. It is usually the same type of men doing this and people afraid to speak out against them, shocking and disgusting how the most vulnerable not looked after and made a priority. Agree with you if I had a daughter and this happening I would pay someone to take care of those men and am a very peaceful person.

I read about this last night. Horrendous, these poor girls. I had no idea there was another gang. But there will be more around the country.

Someone asked where their parents are. Trusting? Or perhaps the girls would just walk out of the house. It’s illegal to imprison your child.

I am very careful with my dd on what she is allowed to do. I had far more freedom and won’t give it to her due to potential dangers and being targeted by men myself, albeit I was never coerced or raped thank goodness.

I am aware that at 15, parenting is somewhat parenting by consent. This also took place two decades ago. Even in this short while, parenting and what is / isn’t acceptable has changed a great deal. Dating men as a child has also become taboo. Safeguarding to is a relatively new concept. For example, it only became illegal to date a student under 18 as a teacher in 2001.

@WandaWonder have a read of Fiona Iverson’s case. Her mum told police she was ‘in a relationship’ with a much older man who was giving her drugs, tried everything, even locking all her shoes in the boot of her car.

The poor girl ended up working as a prostitute and was murdered in a car park in Doncaster. Her mum is now dead, but her story shows how little power parents can have.

Urgh. What hideous whataboutery.

They should be castrated.

@Disabledmomma was just about to say the same. Prison is quite obviously no deterrent for these vile specimens. Our judicial system is failing and the lives of so many are being ruined as a result. It is shameful.

I have just watched the grooming and drug gang in Rochdale on the bbc programme

these people are not deterred by prison sentences and feel above the law

much harsher sentences are needed and more public recognition of the perpetrators

Absolutely horrendous, and no excuse.
At the same time we do need to think where are the parents/carers. Also as a society why are we letting this happen. To some extent we as a society have given to much freedom to our teenagers and left them open to abuse.

I remember in one previous case a woman who was introducing girls to the groomers was actually working in a children's home . The girls were from the children's home.

Chemical castration for sexual offences of this magnitude should be part of the punishment, along with a lengthy sentence.
Vile individuals who deserve no compassion.

The majority were never prosecuted. It was and is a much, much bigger problem than most people realise. I'm actually shocked when any of them face justice.

It has nothing to do with too much freedom ffs. They were mostly vulnerable girls in care. Police were told to ignore it, the girls had made a 'lifestyle choice' as child prostitutes apparently. Yes, really. It is 100% the fault of police, they turned a blind eye for decades. Parents who tried to intervene were only targeted further by gangs and police blamed them for it.

Because it’s not the teens doing the crimes (except for older male youths doing drug running and getting in with the gangs). It’s not the girls doing the crimes. It’s men.

I did not see, as a teenager, why I should be locked up and imprisoned and my every move tracked because men are criminal, manipulative and lying shits. I was not the criminal. The extreme of this line of thought, I might remind people, is Afghanistan and Iran.

Men are the problem.

A secondary problem is the lack of a working economy which offers nothing to many people but a culture of drugs and prostitution. It hasn’t always been as bad as this.

Horrendous.

I hate it when the media refers to people like this as “sex addicts”. It’s not a disease. How about “sex obsessive” instead.

How to stop them??
Put a bullet in them. I'd do it.

Let not forget that 99% of sexual assault perpetrators are male.

To some extent we as a society have given to much freedom to our teenagers and left them open to abuse.

Ah yes, that's what I glean from this news story.

What the actual fuck? Victim blaming at its finest.

We’re not allowed to discuss that much are we @Thisweeksname

Men from very sexist cultures, which have been empowered to bring over their cultural institutions. Men individually empowered by those sexist institutions. Men who have no connection to the white working class heritage and struggles or the land here. Men empowered further by the internet and pornification of women including celebrities. Men therefore brought up to view poor white girls as naturally worthless sluts and whores, fit for nothing.

Some men see women and girls as objects they should be free to use at will for any purpose, they don't see us as human but as things. Its truly disgusting and a far more prevalent a view than most of us, including myself could ever fully dare to admit to.

My son works in security in a hospital up north (my home town)

My mother knows a family-weve all met the type at some point-rough,allow the kids to do what they want to make life easier at least one family member in prison at any one time

Mum had 4 kids taken away through sheer neglect-and within 5 years,she had a dd

Ss for some reason where very keen to keep them together,even though mum had lost 4 kids to the system and nothing had changed

Mum kept the dd-and the kid wasn't shelded from anything-from the age she understood,she knew

uncle up for trying to rape 14 year old girls?

Dd (aged 5/6) could tell you in detail about the case

Brother up for beating another bloke up?

The dd (aged about 9) told me all about it-the list was endless

I rang ss endless times but they didn't do much-just had a word with mum and mum didn't stop-just promised she would Shield her dd

I went nc with my family,so by default,I lost touch with them

Until about a year ago

My son rang me and it went like this

Ds-mum,do you know xx?
Me-no why?
Ds-ok,do you know xy?she's changed her name-her mum died last year
Me-yes,why?
Ds-shes been beaten so badly she's in hospital
Me-jesus,is she ok?(blah blah blah),how old is she now?
Ds-15-her boyfriend is waiting for her-ive just had to Sling him out-he was refusing to leave her side

A long story short-the 'boyfriend' is a Muslim,45 years old and it couldn't be clearer he's her bloody pimp If he had it flashing on his forehead

He was hanging around so she didnt escape

My son rang the police twice-and was told,twice,that they know her,they,they know him,there is nothing they can do as she's 'one of those girls',she's making 'her own lifestyle choices',it's 'her choice if she wants to see him' and 'if we pick him up,there's no proof'

He rang ss-and was told the same-her sw didn't want to know-just kept trotting out about 'lifestyle choices'

She woke up,walked out and is now back with him-she thinks he's her boyfriend-they've been together for the last 3 years

Her friends are 'dating' his friends (I'm not saying they are dating-its what they think)

This is a problem in every single place in the uk-its everywhere

I moved from my hometown to down south,and see it a lot-police do nothing (maybe 'have a word') and they carry on as they know they can get away with it

A secondary problem is the lack of a working economy which offers nothing to many people but a culture of drugs and prostitution. It hasn’t always been as bad as this.

@TintinHadToBeMale Sadly, though, it has. There has always been a (predominantly male) section of society that preys on the vulnerable to their advantage, regardless of economics.

Many, many examples in literature and history. It is a component of the patriarchy. Women are lesser and objectified. Our value is transactional. When you dig a bit more into culture and religion, it gets even worse.

I don’t think it’s not worthy of noting and discussing, I just think that it seems almost pointless to do so when the vast majority of sexual perpetrators are men who have been born and raised in this country.

So if you were to say to me that the culture of these men is a major factor in perpetrating these crimes, I’d be asking what’s the excuse for all of the other men?

convicted sexual offenders by ethnicity

Very brave. Just so sad that their bravery was required to begin with.

I think protecting children is a very difficult discussion to have because it does place the blame on parents if something happens to their child.

I also think that just as we should be able to leave our homes and cars unlocked, we take necessary precautions to prevent theft and robbery as best as we can. This does not mean that if I left my door unlocked and a man entered and robbed me that it I deserved it and I caused it, but I would blame myself for not taking the utmost care to ensure my safety.

Crimes happen regardless of all of the precautions that we take, but I try to make myself the least vulnerable as possible.

This case isn’t as simple as it involves girls who are in care/already have neglectful parents and poor starts in life, but I’d be looking at the systems and institutions in place who are expected to step in to bridge the gap and provide that safety and security and reduce that vulnerability.