ANOTHER Rochdale Grooming gang - beyond horrific.

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What is wrong with these men, ffs. Those poor poor girls. The abuse and assaults. They are children, why why why did this happen.

BBC Article to the sentencing

Specifically, as in this case, gang grooming gangs - predominantly South Asian

Paedophile rings in general - almost exclusively white.
Grooming gangs - mainly Asian
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/grooming-gang-convictions-84-asian-say-researchers-11164589

It may seem irrelevant as it 'evens out' but you can't address specific issues if you won't look at the data

Police just blame the victims.

But where does this fit into the bigger picture of sexual grooming? It’s a wide spread issue, with the one common denominator of men

General cultural attitudes towards women in general and people outside their religion, racism and a general sense of entitlement drives a lot of this

Their girls and women are royally raped, beaten and killed as well, but the communities keep a lot of it very quiet, as any suggestion their girls are less than perfect can affect not just their marriage prospects, but their families' standing in their own communities

Because "all white women are slags", to get them when they're young is the best time

The fact that a lot of working class white girls are vulnerable to this predation says a lot about us too

Social conditions for white working class girls and boys needs to be studied, as things aren't going well for them at all

A few months ago I read 'Girl for Sale' (forgot the girls name but it's on my Kindle) about the Oxford grooming gang in 90s and 2000s. Actually shuddered, because I lived near there around the time it was going on. Probably even met some of the perpetrators and victims

These men are told they are kings of the castle and they make decisions not women therefore they have very little respect for females. They get away with it because in this country the establishment is scared of the truth and petrified of being labeled racist.

It's mostly Asian-Pakistani men grooming young white girls and it's sickening.
It's a huge issue but it's not being spoken enough for fear of racism!

But do we discuss pedophile rings in the same way? Do people comment that there are clearly issues at play with white men and examine what cultural influences are at play? Because how can we tackle those issues?

If focusing on south Asian culture helps tackle the problem, how does that translate to other sexual crimes? This isn’t ‘whataboutery’, this is genuinely asking why men are the problem in sexual crimes, but only looking at ethnicity statistics when those men aren’t white.

The allegations only came to light in 2015 after Girl A described being "beaten and raped" while on a parenting course and police were contacted.

So 9-13 years after it happened!!

Great that it got results but bloody hell, why was this not picked up when they were children?!

I hope those men are mortally ashamed of what they have done.

Are they hell as like. Mortally pissed off they got caught more than anything.

The facts of the case are awful.

However I am really pleased to see that these historic cases have been prosecuted and secured convictions. This seems to show a shift in attitudes, I am around the same age as girls in question and older boyfriends/relationships with teachers weren't perceived in the same way then. There was definitely a strong element of blaming the girls and not recognising grooming

I bet they all have wives and girlfriends. They are sick.

FFS seriously- cases of this with female perpetrators are vanishingly rare. And often those women are themselves victims. Shame on you @Witchcraftandhokum for your whataboutery around this.

I read the first article that was linked to the original one. The girl says she escaped out of her bedroom window. I am perturbed by the standpoint of the second article. It skirts round the edge of blaming the girls. They were children who were groomed and sexually exploited.

It is a dreadful thing. Those awful men.

social conditions for white working class girls and boys need to be studied because things aren’t going well for them at all

This is very important and very relevant. As a society we are failing a lot of children, boys and girls. The ones we are failing most are from working class or deprived backgrounds.

Something is very wrong in Rochdale. Young children of both sexes being groomed into criminal and self-harming behaviour by these odious creatures. Generations of them, father to son, it's a family practice. Vile.

"A female." How many men? Do you believe that means there's some sex based equivalence there? Or are you just having a hard of thinking day?

Members of the police force should have been put ontrial alongside the abusers as they gave them the green light to do so

Who would want to work in policing or social work in Rochdale? It's certainly not the only town with issues, but the sheer scale of the organised crime gang recruiting, grooming and abusing vulnerable teens is horrific. There really is no escape for some of these families.

The police series on the Adam gang was eye opening. More than 10 years of police work tracking the gang, gathering evidence and still so many cases don't make it to trial because the CPS rejects it. And those that do make it see trials collapse due to juries and witnesses being threatened and bribed.

I was just about to say this!

When reading the article linked in the OP, one of the girls said that the abuse started at age 12. How was she even in a position to be outside without parents at age 12? Matter of fact, where are the children’s parents?! The article didn’t mention them at all.

Absolutely horrific. I wish a 20 year sentence really meant 20 years. Well done to the girls for speaking out, that must have been incredibly difficult

I don't think it's acceptable to push the idea that those women are often victims themselves because it suggests that it diminishes their responsibility for their crimes. Many sex offenders are people who suffered abuse themselves - it doesn't excuse their behaviour nor should we try to excuse it. If someone commits sexual abuse they alone are responsible.

I didn't think the original comment was whataboutery, it's more that we need to be aware that we should suspect EVERYONE because even if someone is less likely to be an offender, that doesn't mean they aren't one.

In any case ALL people who knowingly and willingly sexually abuse a child should be executed, regardless of whether they are male or female and regardless of any victimhood of their own.

So they should know more than anyone how wrong what they are doing is.

How anyone can blame being abused on abusing more people/children is beyond me.

They should be trying to protect these youngers not bring more into it.

They deserve just as much punishment.

The only mitigating circumstances I'd apply to any abuse is to young children who have been abused and act out what's been done to them, as they don't know any different/right from wrong/its not normal.