PT 2 of Who the F**K still thinks voting Tory is a good idea?

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Would be such a shame not to continue the discussion.

Well that wasn't a helpful response. What business does your husband do that means he is struggling so much? Obviously there is a market rate for talented, competent people. Pay that and they turn up.

I'm not sure you can blame the NHS and rail workers if they are unionized.

The pareto principle is a general rule of thumb and there is no evidence it applies to workforces
Maybe publ8c sector (e.g. NHS employees, teachers) are demotivated by working for a low salary in a decimated workforce where there aren't enough people to do the basics. And then people like you say they are incompetent.
JFC.

Something tells me that his attitude towards his workforce and their rights might have something to do with it.

Recruitment is a challenge faced by all industries across the UK. Some people assume that money is the only thing that can entice people to take a job. However, one employee was paid £3000 for just 36 hours of work (5 days), while the average pay for an equivalent role in this sector was between £600 and £800.
He pays all his subcontractors generously.

Unfortunately, the now-dismissed employee received their payment just before DP went away on holiday, and they decided to disappear instead of carrying out their duties. This caused a contractual dispute between DP's company and the client, and the employee stole the money. The employee used their neurodivergence, falling off the wagon and the client being difficult as an excuse for their behaviour. In my role, I have to discipline between 5 and 15 employees every month for similar misdemeanours.
Brits are adept at complaining; they are quick to judge others and exhibit presentism. A bloated, politicized workforce is a problem.
Now, Labour aims to promote a more equitable social strategy in contrast to the Tories' self-reliance.
Personally, I'm pro socialism, DP is definitely a Tory.

None of that sounds good - but ultimately what you are saying is that the employee stole the money. Now that's a criminal offence; it doesn't matter if one is neurodiverse or otherwise, it's a crime.

But why would you pay so much above the market rate? That is less profit. You didn't need to do so unless this person had some skills that you wanted, then you pay above.

None of this has anything to do with unions. If a crime has been committed, you go to the police.

If you pay someone up front it’s a calculated risk. I personally wouldn’t dream of it.

It appears that you are focusing on the metaphorical use of the word "unions" when referring to a workforce. However, even non-unionized workforces can be difficult to manage. That was the point I was trying to make.
The situation has been resolved by requiring the employee to fulfil their contractual obligations, after which they were informed that they would not be rehired.
I trust DP to handle his business matters as he knows what he is doing. For every pound he pays to his employees, he earns three.

I have to say I am struggling with your terminology a bit. This sounds like you had a contractor, not an employee. Also, misdemeanours? You actually said the money was stolen; quite an accusation

Personally, I believe the economy is not broken.
The economy is expected to be the main focus of the upcoming election. It is highly probable that the Tories will try to win the voters over by offering more money for free. On the other hand, the situation with Raac and its deteriorating infrastructure seems to be problematic, as contractors have been rejecting tenders. It will be a difficult task to find contractors and workers to carry out the necessary repairs and rebuilds.

Please don't be a bot

Not sure if I understand it right, Brits are lazy workers and unions are bad?

It's very weird I don't quite follow either.
Also as usual not sure what can be read into anecdotes about a very unusual sounding workplace

The left constantly block attempts to deport illegal immigrants
can you explain how, @JaneyGee ? Given ‘the left’ isn’t in power?

Having read all two threads, I'm going to answer the question:
Who the fuck still thinks voting Tory is a good idea?
People whose loyalty to the Tory Party is greater than their loyalty to their country.
People who are actively hostile to the UK.
People, who for whatever reason rail against facts and logic.

Have I missed anyone out?

You forgot the people who look to Wales (a blueprint for a Labour government according to Sir Kier), and see crumbling public services and poverty even worse than in Tory controlled parts of the UK.

The usual Tory nugget of look at Wales, Cymru the country that has its power and water taken and not paid any where near enough for, that's without taking into consideration the historic theft of the countries resources to make England's upper classes and royalty rich, Cymru the country that has to pay towards England's railway network when it doesn't benefit them in the slightest, Cymru the country that English retirees and second home owners decimate whole communities and the health service and let's also mention how low the Barnett formula is deliberately kept and after all of that English Tory voters are surprised they can barely make in roads politically, no wonder the independence movement now polls at about 35%. I love my free prescriptions, hospital parking and my nice and safe 20mph limit within heavier populated 30mph areas

What the chuff is a bot.

My points are straightforward: the election outcome will be largely influenced by the state of the economy. As of now, the economy is performing satisfactorily.

However, we have experienced, and are still encountering, a prolonged phase of industrial disputes. Unfortunately, the majority of the workforce, regardless of their union affiliation, are unproductive and tend to indulge in idle gossip. Hence the reluctance of the government to offer pay rises.

Basically, the UK workforce is useless. Britannia Unchained presented the same message.

People don’t like Labour in Wales coming up. Despite the response on how much they like the lower speed limit and so on I prefer not.

"Unfortunately, the majority of the workforce, regardless of their union affiliation, are unproductive and tend to indulge in idle gossip."

"Basically, the UK workforce is useless. Britannia Unchained presented the same message."

Oh yes I remember. The FT review called it Britannia Unhinged. Increased poverty acts as incentive.
Well the good news is destitution is up.
So maybe you'll get what you want.

Don't forget the free sanitary products in the men's toilets in all Welsh government buildings - more free stuff!

This is still nonsensical, bolding stuff doesn’t change that.

Going by the yabu it’s more that people see these types of threads and posts and avoid altogether.

However useless the Tories may be, their hands are tied. The left constantly block attempts to deport illegal immigrants, or people who've overstayed their student visas, etc. I don't have much faith in the Tories, but Labour or the Lib Dems will be much, much worse

Just to back up @FatOaf Judges etc up hold the law, lawyers etc work within it, we have signed international treaties.... Leftie Lawyers? nonsense!

How much worse? zero co operation with the EU or the French = 100k plus cross channel migrants.
660k visas handed out, often to criminal gangs who exploit low paid workers, they cannot even a new points based visa system to work..

No policing of the visa system (due to spending cuts) so we now have over 1m over stayers... though of course these figures are estimates and the Govt hasn't a clue....

But Labour would be worse... based on what exactly?

But Labour would be worse... based on what exactly?

Well clearly on things like stopping the government's good work on immigration despite not being in power as a pp said.

This is such a misunderstanding of Pareto's Principle.

Say you have 100 people take an exam. According to PP 20 would do badly, 20 great and the rest in the middle.

In reality all 100 could have scored above the national average. Imagine asking a simple maths question of an A level class. You would end up with a standard bell curve but even the lowest score would be higher than the population average.

The UK is notorious for having a poor work ethic. Employees are often demotivated, incompetent, and spend more time complaining about or being offended by colleagues

I can agree with this, 15 years + ago, we d all get a regular pay rise, employers were flexible and we'd work hard as we felt our company valued us.... but gradually that changed, we were seen as a cost, a number, none or small pay rises, T&Cs changed, overtime gone, callout & car allowances slashed, director pay shot up, buy outs and TUPE transfers... work ethic went out the door.

My dd worked in the NHS, expected to do large amounts of unpaid over time, no flexibility, high car park charges, attacked by patients, put on a sickness disciplinary for catching CV and flu.... very low below inflation payrises.

Left NHS, double the pay, less hours, not attacked, feels valued.

Comes down to leadership... if workers are lazy, incompetent, thats down to the employers, inc Govt in public sector... good ones know how to motivate staff.