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Or is boss correcting speech rude

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TeeedleDum · 23/10/2023 23:04

My boss will correct myself and other colleagues during casual conversations if we say 'me and bob are going....' to 'bob and I are going....'. I find this really rude and unprofessional - I know 'bob and I' is correct and I would use this whilst working (e.g in meetings or in emails) but when I'm on my lunch break I don't expect to be corrected. Would you find this annoying/ patronising?

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/10/2023 18:43

I know 'bob and I' is correct and I would use this whilst working (e.g in meetings or in emails) but when I'm on my lunch break I don't expect to be corrected

If you really would then I'd say there was no need for the manager to mention this at all

However you said that "grammar isn't my strong point", so if they've picked up mistakes in your actual work a few reminders might well be worthwhile

TeeedleDum · 25/10/2023 19:01

senua · 25/10/2023 18:34

But it's normal and efficient for people to speak less formally.
It's not just the informality, though. Politeness and humility say that, when listing people, you always place yourself last. OP knows this but, nonetheless, puts herself first ("My boss will correct myself and other colleagues...") in conversation.
Like I say, it's not a good look.

Actually before this thread I've never heard that rule in my life so please do not state what I do or do not know.

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unnumber · 25/10/2023 20:11

senua · 25/10/2023 18:34

But it's normal and efficient for people to speak less formally.
It's not just the informality, though. Politeness and humility say that, when listing people, you always place yourself last. OP knows this but, nonetheless, puts herself first ("My boss will correct myself and other colleagues...") in conversation.
Like I say, it's not a good look.

No, that's not a rule.

Some people learn that it's a matter of etiquette, but it's not a grammatical rule or a universal convention.

Native speakers tend not to follow artificial advice that messes with the rhythm, clarity and emphasis of their sentences. The "politeness" clause mentioned here often does that.

He saw me in my blue dress with my husband my husband. I hope you'll join me and my sister. Look at me and all my fine friends. I looked at myself and John standing side by side in the mirror ... All correct.

When people want to insist on good standard grammar, they should try to avoid adding their own preferences, conventions, or recommendations. Formal standard English exists, and can be learned and corrected. But it's not a grab-bag of everybody's pet peeves. And unfortunately there's a significant overlap between people who enjoy correcting others and people who elevate their habits and beliefs to rules that others should follow.

Grammar Girl used to have a good blog that respected that difference - here's a rule for standard written English, here's what lots of people think is a rule, here's a style choice. It's gone very ad heavy and jumpy. But you don't need much help, OP - and in terms of lunchtime conversation you don't need any. So I would trust her on the me-myself-I https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/articles/how-to-use-myself-and-other-reflexive-pronouns/. If going further I'd bear in mind that American English is more rigid about punctuation in some instances than British.

senua · 25/10/2023 21:20

TeeedleDum · 25/10/2023 19:01

Actually before this thread I've never heard that rule in my life so please do not state what I do or do not know.

How on earth have you lived in the professional world and not picked up this rule!?Shock
This thread is definitely a wind-up.

TeeedleDum · 25/10/2023 21:42

senua · 25/10/2023 21:20

How on earth have you lived in the professional world and not picked up this rule!?Shock
This thread is definitely a wind-up.

Well, I guess after completing 12 GCSEs, 5 A-levels, a degree, a masters, an architectural qualification and 9 years in practice to become a senior partner, I must just be thick to not have picked that up. Me no know?

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StarDolphins · 25/10/2023 21:46

I do this to my ex all the time so I’m rude too! Not the same example but just getting words wrong like ‘of coarse’ or ‘we WAS at the till’ or more frustrating, your for you’re & ALL the their/there wrong.

unnumber · 25/10/2023 22:53

senua · 25/10/2023 21:20

How on earth have you lived in the professional world and not picked up this rule!?Shock
This thread is definitely a wind-up.

It's not a rule.

You don't get to define universal rules based on your education and social set.

Professional linguists, when they look at this question, don't see a rule. They see a prescription, which they theorise is seen as a more prestigious way of speaking by its proponents, but which is abnormal (for "me") in actual usage.

In other words, this is more bouquet-not-bucket territory than a language error.

And that's the point of this thread. Native speakers sometimes make errors in formal standard English. This would not be an error even there.

Whether you can call any informal usage an error is less certain. But a huge amount of anxiety around language is caused by people parroting "rules" which are nothing of the sort. And it's not always in a helpful spirit - it's often an attempt to assert superiority.

unnumber · 25/10/2023 23:01

TeeedleDum · 25/10/2023 21:42

Well, I guess after completing 12 GCSEs, 5 A-levels, a degree, a masters, an architectural qualification and 9 years in practice to become a senior partner, I must just be thick to not have picked that up. Me no know?

Me and you both, @TeeedleDum

Or you know, you and me ...

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